British Vickers/Export MBT line - what's left to add

[John_Sneeeeeeeew]

Love the Mk.3, now I need the 3i and 3m

[pooqich]

luv me vickers

@John_Sneeeeeeeew

I wonder if gaijin will ever give us this

this looks utterly disgusting and disgraceful i want it

[굴러온]

Challenger 2E Early lets go.

[Sebbo_the_Plebbo]

Vickers Mk 4 my beloved

[Sebbo_the_Plebbo]

I’m so sorry we dropped you

[Jarms]

Lol.

Also, we could potentially add the Osório as it used the Vickers MBT turret.

[Sebbo_the_Plebbo]

@John_Sneeeeeeeew

Built by ROF who were bought by…

Vickers RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

I know something else built by ROF for the export market

Chieftain 900 my favourite sheet metal warrior.

[Jarms]

Vickers and Marconi Centurion, with a LRF and 720bhp diesel engine.

[CharAznable3]

How did they pull that off?

[Sebbo_the_Plebbo]

Some more Vickers options that have been dug out and typed up over the past few month:

Vickers FMC Mk 5 (L7 105mm)

A VFM5 with the venerable L7 105mm cannon as opposed to the Royal Ordnance LRF 105mm. Whilst functionally identical to the one in-game, it could be given some unique ammunition (like Excalibur 105mm APFSDS) to give Britain a higher BR tracked light tank.

VFM5 (L7 105mm) - Shoot & Scoot

poll [Vickers VFM5 (L7 105mm)] Introduction The VFM5 (also known as the Vickers FMC Mk.5) originated in the mid-1980s as a private-venture export project rather than a vehicle developed to meet a specific British Army requirement. The roots lay in the FMC Close Combat Vehicle-Light (CCV-L), which FMC displayed in October 1985 at the Association of the United States Army (AUSA). In 1985, Vickers Defence Systems partnered with FMC to adapt this concept into a more affordable and practical desi…

Vickers Mk 4 Valiant (Revised Universal Turret)

A variant of the long overdue Vickers Valiant, incorporating the same redesigned Universal Turret as seen on the Vickers Mk 7/2. If the regular Valiant is the Vickers Mk 4, then this is the Vickers Mk 4/2.

Vickers Mk 4 Valiant (Revised Universal Turret) - Refusing to Quit

poll [Vickers Mk 4 Valiant (Late Universal Turret)] Introduction Development of the Vickers Mk 4 “Valiant” began in the mid-1970s as a private-venture export MBT, continuing Vickers’ long tradition of independent tank design. Following the public announcement of Chobham armour in June 1976, Vickers saw an opportunity to combine this new protection with the company’s existing Mk.3 design to produce a lighter, highly protected tank for customers unable or unwilling to procure the heaviest NATO …

Vickers Retrofit Centurion (Early)

A basic retrofit package for the Centurion, based on a Mk 5 chassis, incorporating a 750hp engine upgrade.

Vickers Retrofit Centurion (1973) - a much-needed mobility upgrade

poll [Vickers Retrofit Centurion (1973)] Introduction

General Centurion History

The British Centurion tank, first developed at the close of the Second World War, became one of the most successful and influential post-war main battle tanks. Its origins trace back to 1943, when the British Army sought a “universal tank” capable of replacing both infantry and cruiser tanks. The first prototypes, designated A41, were completed in early 1945 and delivered to Germany shortly after the war ended. Thou…

Vickers Retrofit Centurion (Late)

A more advanced retrofit package for the Centurion, featuring the same new engine, but also new FCS, a laser rangefinder, and, importantly, access to early 105mm APFSDS, like L64A4. Essentially a British Olifant Mk 1A.

Vickers Retrofit Centurion (1980) - the deadliest British Centurion

poll [Vickers Retrofit Centurion (1980)] Photo courtesy of @ForeverAloneRage Introduction

General Centurion History

The British Centurion tank, first developed at the close of the Second World War, became one of the most successful and influential post-war main battle tanks. Its origins trace back to 1943, when the British Army sought a “universal tank” capable of replacing both infantry and cruiser tanks. The first prototypes, designated A41, were completed in early 1945 and delivered to Ger…

Desert Challenger (IRIS)

An early variant of the Challenger 2E, then known as the Desert Challenger, which lacks the redesigned mantlet, retains the barrel mounted TOGS, and has a drivers camera with thermal imaging. All while keeping the 1,500hp engine. A unique option for another highly mobile Challenger 2.

Desert Challenger (IRIS) - the earliest 1,500hp Challenger 2, now with an optics upgrade

poll [Desert Challenger IRIS] Background The Challenger 2E tank, a variant of the British Challenger 2, was developed in the mid-late 90s and early 2000s specifically for the export market, with significant improvements aimed at appealing to international customers. This model focused on performance improvements around an enhanced fire control system and improved engine power (the 1500hp Euro Powerpack). The development of the Challenger 2E was part of the UK’s efforts to showcase its capabili…

[kingoftigertank]

ive seen some of these on the suggestion forum and i hope they all make it especially that improved vfm5 L7

[Sebbo_the_Plebbo]

Following the positive feedback in this thread so far, I’ve made a significant update to the original post, turning it into somewhat of a mega-list for all the British-built, export-focused tanks and upgrade packages that would fit well into the second MBT line of the British tree. This list is by no means final, and I’d love to hear any other options put forward.

[Milashny_Koteyka]

you caught my attention on vickers MkIV and lost it on royal ordnance offsprings.

Tell me more about Vicks Mk IV. They look very interesting

[FlyingOstridge]

@Sebbo_the_Plebbo

A comprehensive Type 59 … stablisier

Minor spelling mistake. Post is null and void now.

[spartinwarrior64]

doubtful, i think vickers is dead dead dead

[John_Sneeeeeeeew]

BAE will own the rights

[Sebbo_the_Plebbo]

@Milashny_Koteyka

Tell me more about Vicks Mk IV. They look very interesting

Oh boy where to start.

You get a 1000hp engine, Chobham composite armour across the front and sides, lightweight at 46 tonnes so about 22 hp/tonne, and 3 turret options as built:

• You’ve got the absolute earliest fully complete vehicle armour with an L7 105mm, capable of firing APFSDS, IRL this was most likely L64A4, but we don’t have that in-game (yet) so would end up with DM23/DM33. Would be a nifty little machine at around 9.3/9.7.

• You’ve then got the first 120mm (L11 rifled cannon, same as the Challenger 1) Universal Turret, which is already present in-game on the Vickers Mk 7. Would be lovely with L23(A1) at around 10.0.

• And then finally you’ve got the Valiant with the second-generation (kind of third generation?) Universal Turret, as also fitted to the Vickers Mk 7/2. This also uses the British rifled L11 120mm, so wouldn’t be hugely different, but would be a good option for a premium/event vehicle while the first 2 Valiants are needed in the tech tree. Again, with L23A1 would be nice around 10.0.

The turret was also capable of being fitted with the Rheinmetall and GIAT 120mm smoothbore cannons, and these designs were fully drawn up, but the conversions were never carried out, whether that’s enough for serious consideration in-game I don’t know, but there are the 3 actually built options to prioritise first.

IRL the Valiant was trialled and seriously considered by several nations (Spain and some middle eastern countries mainly), but it had some issues around reliability, and it managed to be as lightweight as possible by using an aluminium hull, which had some pretty serious fatiguing issues. Regardless, these wouldn’t be problems in-game, so it would be great to see the family.

[Sebbo_the_Plebbo]

Probably the BEST part about the Vickers Mk 4 family is that because of all the turret interchangeability, by modelling one single vehicle (consisting of the Vickers Mk 4 hull and the Revised 120mm Universal Turret) Gaijin can squeeze THREE highly requested tanks out of it:

Vickers Mk 4 hull + in-game Vickers Mk 7 turret = Vickers Mk 4 120mm (Early)

Vickers Mk 4 hull + revised Universal Turret = Vickers Mk 4 120mm (Late)

In-game Vickers Mk 7 hull + revised Universal Turret = Vickers Mk 7/2

It’s an easy, low effort slam dunk, in terms of filling out the tech tree, improving gameplay, and adding highly requested vehicles. It’s a headscratcher as to why it’s not been done yet to be honest.

[Milashny_Koteyka]

That sound wonderful tbh. Pretty good addition to the collection

[SoundWave777]

AUssie gets the M1A2 now too

@Jarms

Vickers MBT’s:

• Vickers MBT Mk 1 (I)
• Vickers MBT Mk 1 (Swingfire)
• Vickers MBT Mk 3 (I)
• Vickers MBT Mk 3 (M)
• Vickers MBT Mk 4 (L7)
• Vickers MBT Mk 4 (L11)
• Vickers MBT Mk 4 (Rh-120)
• Vickers MBT Mk 7/2 (L11)
• Vickers MBT Mk 7/2 (Rh-120)

Existing:

• Challenger 2E: Was built as an export vehicle, could easily be moved to the export line.

If you want to bring in the Commonwealth, which Gaijin was hinting at for this line, then there’s things like the:

• Olifant Mk.1
• Vijayanta Mk 2
• Arjun Mk 1
• Arjun Mk 1A
• M1A1 AIM
• Leopard 2A4M

There’s easily two dozen odd vehicles you could grab from the Commonwealth and add here.

*AUssie gets the M1A2 now too, soon the RedBack IFV and the K2 Artillery.

*British Scorpion tank with 75 and 90mm gun that goes 120 kmph but has a manual turret rotation. New Zealand and Indonesia used them.