I was doing research, and found they carried BOL pods, but IM still trying to find a good valuble source
IG I gotta wait
I would actually advise AGAINST BOL pods, as their addition would actually raise the BR of british phantoms.
Honestly, a good counter, but IDK, I think I would rather them all go to 11.7 so they wouldnt have to see IRCM missiles.
Being in a British Phantom and having to face AMRAAMs, Gripens, Mirage 4Ks and it’s peers is actually insane.
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thast more harriers with amraams being undertiered rather than phantoms with PD radars being overtiered.
We will have to wait for the next BR change. Likely sometime this month. But yes, it is on my list too. There is 0 justification for their current BR with their current loadout. I could almost forgive the F3 and the FGR2/FG1 for being the same BR before this decompression. But now… It is just stupid
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Skyflash DFs are the best SARH they were equipped with. Only better before the adoption of the AMRAAM was the SuperTEMPS which are a Tornado exclusive.
So yes Aim-9Ls would be the only AAM upgrade possible and with 2 identical aircraft. The FGR2 could receive them and the FG1 could remain with 9Gs. If they require different BRs then so be it. If the FGR2 with 9Ls is fine at 11.7. Then the FG1 can be upgraded as well.
(As an honourable mention they could in theory also get SRAAM, as they were slated for the Phantoms, but they never actually equipped them)
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If they were to get SRAAM’s, Gaijin would need to fix their issues with tracking. Make it more “realistic”
Not just tracking. All-Aspect and Max Range as well. I also assume that things like the TVC being broken hasnt been fixed yet either. Need to go check at some point.
I do think even if they get SRAAM’s, they should still be 11.7. Especially if they dont (obviously).
Yeah, I doubt they would. I think they need ot be either 11.7 with 9Gs or 12.0 with 9Ls and then review again after a few months to see if further changes are needed. I’ll be honest, I havent played the Phantom in ARB for a very very long time. But I have in ASB and even with its notably lower BR of 11.3 (use to be 10.7 before the decompress) it still feels underpowered vs the Mig-23s it faces.
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sucks to suck then.
not opposed to the idea. BUT
either AIM-9Ls OR getting BR lowered. Not both.
Honestly. I have no idea. But thankfully there is a really easy solution. Give the FGR2 Aim-9Ls and leave it at 12.0. Then lower the FG1 to 11.7 but leave it with Aim-9Gs.
Then review again in the future. See what it is actually like. Maybe 11.7 with 9Ls would be fine. Maybe it wouldnt. But this way everyone wins and it creates some uniqueness between the 2 airframes.
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fair enough.
Issue is, as i see it anyway, that phantom with PD radar, what is essentially a DF sparrow AND all aspect sidewinder at 11.7 would absolutely stomp in a downtier.
21 Bis airframes get away with having all aspect IRs at 11.3 by not having a radar missile (yeah i know there is R-3R, but that missile is a gimmick at best, even at 9.7) and R-60M/MKs having next to no range in tail chase. And other various attackers with all aspect missiles get away with them, well, due to being attackers (not dealing with whenever they are or are not undertiered).
AIM-9L on Phantom airframe would be devastating in a downtier.
My only reason why I think 11.7 might be fine, Is because the Mig-23MLD is 11.7 and that is overall about equal to maybe stronger than the the Phantoms. At least in their own way. But yeah, its a tricky call
with how scuffed MiG-23s radar is currently? They might as well have none.
I see your point, but you have to remember, the Skyflash really one has a range of 5-7 miles. So I do think the 12.0 9L, and 11.7 Same, is a good compromise, but I do think that it really wont be too bad with 9L’s at 11.7. Because the FGR/FG will have better weapons, but the MLD will have better flight preformance equally effective (I think)
IMO its more nuanced than that.
If we were talking about currents MiG-23 BR with its pre-seek and destroy performance, id say its undertiered at 11.7.
Ive spaded MLA back in may last year, and played it a lot around jan/feb (or whenever they got their radar first changed). Its jan/feb performance was amazing, and i would put it higher than PD Phantoms at that time.
However, with seek and destroy, its radar got massively nerfed. As it is now, I would take british phantom any day. Now, with MiG-23 you cant select radar modes, and you only have PD mode if you are above certain altitude looking down.
Also dont forget Phantoms have twice the radar missiles over MiG-23s, and while R-60M/MKs are all aspect, you essentially have to shove them into enemy pilots bottom before you launch them in tail chase (read the range in tailchase is VERY bad).
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The Viggen C is 11.3, and I’d say it is a better aircraft than the phantoms even with less missiles, even the Viggen D is at 12.0 with 9Ls and much more countermeasures.
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