British Helicopter Tech Tree - Discussion Topic

So I was at the RAF Museum Cosford today, and two words on the placard next to the AS.11 missile they have on display for the National Cold War Exhibition caught my eye…

I’ll see if I can shoot them an email and ask if they have any additional material to support it. I live close by if it requires an additional visit to see what they might have.

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Oh the Gazelle. Yeah why not.

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It’s just funny that we still don’t have a Gazelle in the British tech tree

Would you? Only armed with SNEBs?

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Other than SNEBs, there is currently nothing else it can carry.

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Sounds like fun ngl

Yep, just means a lower BR :P

I still want the SNEB’s on the Wasp and scout.

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I thought they only had the naff 2-inch rockets. Not SNEB?

Yes, I mean we have a Uh-1 with only Mighty Mouse (the Japanese one)

I think they used SNEBs as well.

I mean… AH-1G and AB-205 do be looking at you funny for that one. It’d be a nice 8.0 I reckon

In fairness, I believe we gathered enough information in this thread to conclude what armament would have been installed had they been approved for service. Either that or we could get one of the French-made prototypes with the standard wiring and armament loading bars, which would theoretically mean they could get French weaponry.

Hawkswing was intended to be fitted on the Gazelle, as well as MILAN, but it all really depends on in-game policy at this point, as some vehicles have been added with their intended armament.

I’ve been following along as yes a huge amount of positive things have been gathered. But it’s still not really conclusive from a modeling perspective and there are still a few open ended elements. So it’s currently not sufficient to see a Gazelle armed with anything more significant than SNEBs at the moment.

If there was one in British markings showing significant weaponary then for sure that might be taken into consideration. But if it just on the basis of a French prototype, that’s not really representing an AH.1.

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They have indeed, but this was generally with at least mockup mounts and a general idea of what it would look like. So far we haven’t see any Gazelle pylons for those missiles mentioned above.

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To illustrate the problem:

Hawkswing used the standard diameter crossbeam pylon on Lynx and Scout fit checks/trials as used for AS.11 on Scout.
hawkswing
Close up of the beam on Lynx was shown in the photo with the LSBC with recce flares. But here on Scout with the same kind of 8-bolt interface to secure it to the stub frame, and AS.11s equipped.
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A far as real life AS.11 fit for Gazelle goes, it can be evident from aircraft operated by Syria and those captured by Israel
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Again, using 8-bolt interface securing this kind of standard length+diameter crossbeam pylon to weapon stubs

Challenge we face applying this to Gazelle AH.1 is that its operational crossbeam pylon for searchlight, Ultra 4000 etc. was a single unit that went direct to the fuselage via the aperture covered by the white/bare metal plate shown below.


We can see from the larger ring of bolts in that photos, that the strengthening frame in the fuselage for securing the Syrian/Israeli style stubs for AS.11 pylon extensions was retained in the AH.1, but it seems the UK modifications were made such that the beam’s axis was moved higher up off the ground or away from the landing skids.
That’s the beam we’ve seen adapted for carrying SNEB, and in the Westland video with recce flares. It appears to be the exact same diameter as the pylon used on these other airframes for AS.11 and Hawkswing but it’s not exactly the same pylon setup seen on the three helicopters pictured, and we haven’t seen actual missiles on the Gazelle AH.1’s iteration of the crossbeam.

At this point with no media showing missile fit checks or trials we have to guess that either:

  • Stubs similar to the Syrian/Israeli Gazelles would be installed on the larger ring of bolts that is still visible on the Gazelle AH.1
  • The UK would have a smaller diameter weapon stub to mount the AS.11/Hawkswing pylon on, using the smaller aperture used for the in-service crossbeam.
  • That mounting the crossbeam aperture higher means they were considered to have more clearance from the skids, and missiles could simply be mounted closer to the fuselage; Directly on standard AS.11/Hawkswing pylons, without an additional weapon stub.

The latter option is not dissimilar to how we see Hawkswing mounted on Lynx as the Hawkswing pylon seems a bit longer than an AS.11 pylon. But the interface directly on the Gazelle fuselage appears to be 6 bolts rather than 8 on the Lynx’s stub frame.

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Great conclusion and very logical. Just sadly not what the developers consider sufficient for implementation.

As mentioned previously, the Gazelle is not off the table. Just with the current level of information, it’s not being actively considered to come right now.

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If I recall there was a French-made Gazelle prototype in AAC colours, though I don’t think it had any weapons shown as far as I’m aware.

Does anyone have any information about the tests carried out by G-LYNX using the R-550 Magics?

Another two things.

  1. Do we have enough info about the Gazelle to make a suggestion?

  2. Why didn’t the Lynx AH.9 carry any weapons? I’ve heard various reasons as to why, but the prototype (Battlefield Lynx, essentially an AH.7 with the Lynx 3’s undercarriage) did have weapons on display with it.