Stats don’t prove anything but the moment they stats check you and found out that you doesn’t play X or Y or bad in A or B. They lose their mind and you lose because you don’t know what you talking about
didnt yall loose to a bunch of farmers XD
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To be fair, plenty of people parrot what YouTubers say and refuse to acknowledge people who actually play it. I have heard so many times the Tor was the second best SPAA in the game. No, it sucked, but people still acted like it was a Chinese Pantsir
You still want do drag this further, i ain’t wasting more energy in proving something that’s clearly underperforming, also saying that the BVM is on par with the M1A2,SEP,SEPV2 in armor category just proves that you have no idea what you’re talking about, i stated a clear video and proof that turret ring on them is weaker than the base M1 and you still say they’re on par with a superior tank.
Why would i show you anything that’s clearly there and everyone can see it, the thought of you just playing costums and never touched an actual Abrams, this just tells that you have “Zero” experience and i suggest you to never talk shit about it.
If you are aiming for the turret ring on the BVM, then you are aiming at the wrong place.
BVMs are good and annoying to fight at times, but I have found they are more consistent being one shotted with a LFP shot with a L27A1
Abrams I find quite often need 2 shots to go down. My record was 3, even with a hit to the turret ring
And Abrams is faster, has a better shell, has a better reload, has a larger ready rack and more armour than my usual CR2. It’s stupid it got a 5 seconds reload
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It’s really about where you stand, if you’re afraid if you shoot lower front plate and it would just kill the driver and damage the autoloader and he would still shoot back, or you want a 100% guaranteed shot to the breach to disable the tank, either way i have no problem in fighting the Russian horde but the BVM is clearly more armored than the M1A2 that’s what i’ve been trying to say.
Totally agree, nobody wanted a reload buff the Abrams was fine in that category, people wanted armor buff and the turret ring fixed but they went ahead and they gave us the 5 sec reload.
The first shot is guaranteed to disable the tank, turret cheeks are big to just ignore and aim for the huge weakspot.
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Alright mate seeing as you clearly
- cant read
- want to try put words in my mouth,
I stated.
The Abrams overall are better than the 11.7 and even T90M tanks, the combined package.
I state that the BVM is on par with the abrams overall
your clear video proof is not a well done control test and thus is not viable information to use.
Learn to make controls before claiming one video is evidence.
We’ve seen countless videos of the type90 soaking shots to its ammo rack/ auto loader, does that mean its modelled differently?
no
Then shoot its breach out and be secure.
simple.
theres an armour buff then the speculated numbers that were proposed for the DU inserts into the hull which would take its frontal arc up insanely high.
Much like that dude disabled my abrams in the picture in which i proceded to blow him to bits?
You also claimed, randomly that DM53 and 3BM60 can pen the abrams turret cheeks, which is false.
You come into a thread, state random AF stuff, then blame me for not agreeign with you and proving you wrong on almost all of it bar the actual values of the M1 hull, which I made an error with.
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its literally the identical tank too, its just that American players do worse than brits in the thing
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Absolutely bro, USA mains are the most dogwater player group in the universe.
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How is it “not a well done control test” when you clearly see it’s not made up or edited, if you don’t trust the video that’s a clear proof of the turret ring being weaker after the HC then go ahead and test it by yourself.
Why would i shoot the breach and he can just retreat and repair and when he shoots my breach i lost my basket+engine+2 of crew dies+my tracks gets disabled, how is this logical thing to happen??
That’s how i know you don’t know anything, DU isn’t that strong buddy it would upgrade the KE protection that’s for sure, but it would still get penetrated by any Top Tier dart.
You still can’t move correctly enough to guarantee a shot, you been lucky and its a rare thing to happen.
I said at certain angles.
You did not prove anything wrong at all buddy, you came writing all this with zero proof at all, i provided a video that proves my claims and you did not, i also have more experience than you in any Abrams which makes my opinions more legitimate and not coming out from someone that the only Abrams he played was the XM1.
No Abrams is on par with the T80BVM,T90M in armor category, also the Abrams lacks its proper armor, its hull is from the 80’s with no armor developement at all which makes my point of every Abrams ingame copy pasted right!
TLDR: Abram can’t automatically bounce every single shot coming my way so it is bad. Ignoring everything else good about it.
Still don’t know how and why the US main need to cry in a thread about Britain but sure.
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Because for a star they arent all even sitting on level ground.
Hows he gonna shoot your breach if you shoot his?
As well as that, if he shoots first and somehow damages all that
- 1 you’re positioning is horrible
- 2 you arent shooting back regardless, so this is a non argument for my point of shoot the breach.
let the record show this man is either willfully ignoring full sentences or just cant read
I stated " the proposed numbers" put forward to gaijin where astronomically hihg compared to what it is.
hardly, again if you position the abrams properly it beats most the roster, beaten out by Leopard 2a6/7 due to DM53 and the STRV122’s overall
Which is a non issue, M829A2 can pen more of a leopard and T80/T90 turret frontally from certain angles
Again this has absolutely Zero baring on the original statement you made of a gazillion T80s.
No one even remotely suggesting it’s armour was on par-
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let the record show, you are infact stating that somone has said that abrams armour is on par with the soviet top tiers
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No one has said that at all bar you
Alright the only abrams ive played is the XM1 when ive close to 1000 games between my abrams, but go off mate, obviously can’t read stats either.
EDIT: Between my rank 7 and 8 abrams I’ve exactly 872 games.
if we include the XM1 into this it takes the number up to 1299.
So yeah I think im pretty well versed in the abrams tanks mate.
lets start this from the top-
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I stated using the numbers from teh game that:
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abrams overall is better than the 11.7 and below russian tanks, and overall on par with T80BVM and T90M
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I proved this using the numerical advantages abrams has- only in armour are both the T90M and T80BVM better, While T80 BVM has worse overall mobility but similar top forward speed
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you have not only ignored what ive said but have actively put words in my mouth such as
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Abrams is on par with the T80BVM,T90M in armor category, Which was never stated by me, at all.
In almost every comment I state that the abrams only draw back is lack of armour.
-VIDEO:
- the video you provided is not a controlled test, and actively is a one time event which has been trialed, without exact replicated situations and variables.
E.G ground level, and only trialing each tank once.
For it to be a properly conducted test you must trial them several times in identical situations E.G controls
Consensus
- You are here ignoring peoples arguments, actively saying that they state something completely to the opposite of what they do.
- Do not understand how basic controls work for experiments.
- actively are stating false facts such as
“i also have more experience than you in any Abrams which makes my opinions more legitimate and not coming out from someone that the only Abrams he played was the XM1.” - actively ignores abrams advantages and focus solely on its “lack” of armour.
so yeah, this is done mate you aren’t worth talking with or too.
You are choosing to be ignorant or just actually cannot fathom what is infront of you.
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I mean the dudes moved the goalposts god knows how many times, claims im saying stuff im not (its all there in writing I don’t edit my stuff without showing it)
Just wants his abrams to be super powered when its one of the better top tiers of the game.
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Well if you say British bias you should reconsider that APHE overperform still from the game release not to mention Vulometric help mostly Rus Tanks with high angles
Consider Sabot and APCBC underperform that mostly low middle BRs that use them are Brits and US
Svags Overperform 7.62 mm are just menace in low BRs
Rus planes from WWII have difference with others some years 37 MM and 45mm cannons are Lazers and recent nerf of 0.50 cal its slaped US hard
Migs 21s that are Delta wings got the smaller nerf from all delta flying characteristic and still is fighting sub sonic with frame from Bis not to mention the biggest SL multiplayer even from 12.3 premium jets
British 7.7 Centurions have gun from WWII wird eee can’t pene T-54s up front not to mention Sabot nerf and the Gaijin speciality Shattered Shell making them a Joke in the game considering Royal Ordinance 105 mm was implemented in 1959 well Bias for you all Centurions was upgraded to 105 mm but here you fight with 20 pdr from WWII,
APDS behave like AP with 0 spalling middle and low BRs guess what UK use them mainly making the joke vs Magic APHE that is Rus and Chinese Speciality and overperform this spaling is crazy and should be fixed years before
British Turret armor another Joke rank I and II can pene 7.7 British tanks at from turret
Well I can write 1 week here for Bias you speak off
Is APCBC a sabot?
thought APDS (armour piercing discarding sabot) was sabot? however the sabots just the pot that holds the round so to speak.
I do think the oiginal posts a piss take BTW, dudes well versed with the game like.
how? Genuinely how?
I still use the F80s and such and sabers and the .50s are fine.
Like in real life then? the 20pounder gun could not penetrate the UFP of a T54…
Hence why the 105 royal ordenance L7 gun was created.
Well considering we have the centurion mk10 (which is an upgraded / upgunned mK3 it makes sense the mk3 is 7.7 and the mk10 is 8.0)?
though we should see the mk11, 12 and 13
the turret armour got fixed aka mantlet armour for the centurions got patched.
I mean most of what you wrote isnt exaclty right but, you ignoring things doesn’t mean they arent in game.
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they really are lmao. amazing air and ground, abysmal players. such wasted potential
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as shown above by one arguing with me about the fking abrams needing DU hull inserts etce tc etc
they just need to learn to be patient thats it
Well he still trying but his stats in the T80 after he claimed it to be good prove otherwise. No need to try tbh, this thread is more like a bait. A funny bait if you will , no need to prove anything in . Don’t take what he said too far
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Tis bait thats the point xDD its funny af man the stuff that comes out the woodwork
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tell them to play challenger or ariete and then come back
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