Britains biggest problem is everyone else has powercrept.
Solid shot used to be good and then volumetric was added and rounds had less spalling. Making APHE superior.
Britain received APDS to counter Chemical rounds Gaijin changed APDS so give it a risk of shattering and introduced generations for APDS making WW2 tanks that depend on it unplayable (Comet) wont penetrate a Panther front glacis at any range even though it was designed to do so!
Britain had HESH a round historically proven to destroy Soviet tanks. Gaijin nerfed it, to stop Britain having a ohk round.
Conqueror having an 18 second reload minimum requirement for loaders was 15 seconds the best recorded was +10 seconds.
As we go up and new additions are added they are added unfinished missing key features or realistic performance.
CR2 Gaijin refuse to allow lap loading or the rack infront of the loaders station to serve as a ready rack…Yet on Cheiftain they do. Now that 4 shots at 4.5 seconds is not an advantage as most tanks have a 5 second reload!
L23 and L26 having the slowest flight times 1500ms vs 1700ms for German/USA and Russian
Incorrectly modeled armour, transmissions and inflated BRs…No CR2 is superior to an M1A2
L26 is not superior to M829A2
That is just utterly false.
The requirement for the Conq was 4 RpM but it was dropped when that RoF was found unfeasable as even loaders with special training struggled to get the gun loaded in under 25s
The design was changed multiple times with shell extraction and so on yet the offcial RoF for the tank was 3RPM or a round every 20s, but that was only possible if the system worked as intended, which until it left service was never the case. Crews expected to load the gun in around 25-28s
That is from the Bovington sources, which house all the information on the tank as well as every official source available for the tank including records it set and so on. So I would be very much interested where you get your infro from. Because it is not from the British army
Minumum requirement to pass loader school was 15 seconds or 4 rounds per minute.
I had read somewhere a while ago (back when Conqueror was added) that some loaders could do it faster than the 15 seconds closer to 10 seconds.
However this was likely a single round in a controlled environment and they were not having to fight with the shell ejector jamming the empty casing above the breach.
Considering Gaijin can be liberal with other reload rates 15 seonds for an aced crew seems disengenous.
Again give a source.
Official testing of the tank as per sources available from bovington was a reload rate no faster than +20s under absolutely ideal conditions.
Special loader school was established in an attempt to get to the 4RpM target of the requirement and failed in doing so.
15s Aced is already 10s faster than any crew or military report on the vehicle stated feasiable outside of a fully controlled environment. There 15s would still be over 5s faster than the wished for RoF.
Here is another thing. The 10s can not be possible. The automatic cartrige ejection system requires 4seconds to eject the old cartrige and open the gun for the next round. That is the lowest possible speed of the system an about 2 times as fast as the non assisted method of removing the cartrige according to the designers (the crews would disagree as the system never worked and usually took 10s or more to get ready)
But assuming it worked flawlessly, that means the loader now has got less than 6s to load a roughly 9Kg APDS shell and a 18Kg or more charge for that shell into the gun. Or load a roughly 20Kg HESH shell and a 12Kg charge for that.
Never ever have I heard any crew of the Conq claiming a number below 20s for the reload time most cite closer to 30s than 20s as their norm. 22s-26s seems a realistic estimate, so the 15s ingame aced is already much faster.
Mate with all due respect it was 5 or so years ago when it was added to the game.
I retract it, you seem very passionate on the Conqueror.
Personally in game it’s damage is too inconsistent for the length of reload you cannot trust the gun to next to no damage. It’s front lower plate shot is an instant kill as is cupola shots and its optics for a long range sniper are underwhelming. The only thing it does have going for it is it’s incredible looks.
I would trade a 20 second reload for a round that hit like a train.
Discounting the Conqueror everything else I have said is relevant.
Nothing Britain has reliably kills a BVM it feels like total Rng.
Driver port shot…maybe
Lower plate…frequently
Breach shot…dont even risk it too often breach just takes it
I am.
If you provide me with a source I can look into it. I WANT the Conq to be buffed. But RoF is one aspect I do not thing can be made any more lenient to actual real world performance than it already is.
Yes the shell deals less damage than the fox 30mm APDS, the damage is roughly that of a 37mm AP shell (no caps, just base AP). I have looked into shell weight but was unable to find any sources regarding the LG1 shell outside of gun trials, they confirmed how wrong the dispersion of the APDS is. Ingame you can be off by more than 2m at 1km Range while Testing of the gun concluded that a fully shot out barrel had diviations of around 1m at 1km while a new gun had less than 20cm diviation at 1Km when using the LG1 shell. HESH performed worse for obvious reasons. But as per usual those trials give mixed information as the conclusion has “first shot” hit probabilty at 1500m at around 85%, which seems strange considering the previously stated accuracy and no mention of other factors(like crew estimations of range being faulty, weather conditions and so on) being considered for that estimation.
I once proposed adding the M103s AP shell, as the gun could fire that shell making such an adition at least historically authentic if not fully accurate. But as usual the community is unpredictable with what it accepts and what not. And apparently adding a shell the gun could fire but was never issued to the vehicle is not ok…for the Conq.
It is fine for other vehicles, and shells that are entirely made up like the APFSDS on the 2S38(Last info on that: 2022 russias military agreeded on having a APFSDS shell for the 2S38 developed, but there has been no information of any such contract being issued to the RND department.) or the 47mm APHE shell of the Yak 9K and others are fine. Or the fact that the L1 shell on the later MBTs was also never issued to these tanks.
Maybe I’m lucky, but I feel I can kill them 75% of the time with my first shot, though there are times where I feel it should have killed but did not for reasons that elude me
I mean the tank chat reloaded, the revist of the conquoror has it lower than 25 seconds a round, somehwere closer to about 18 if I remember it rightly however been a while since I seen it
The other massive issue with teh conqueoror was it had issues with the shell ejector so that always buggered up the loading times.
It overall wasnt a great tank TBH IRL it was plagued with issues, between the electrics and engines.
From the Challengers I have played I prefer them over the Abrams. Have actually survived hits in them that have disabled or outright destroyed my Abrams in same scenario. That said, both need their armor profiles and models corrected but as expected Gaijin continues to sit on their collective fat slav arse and do F-All about it.
It doesn’t, given Brit is a minor nation and most of the top tier premium are mid if not dogshit. People who grind Brit that doesn’t already own one of the high tier premium , can get one of the strongest if not the strongest Squadron vehicle in the game to grind out rank 6-8 , given they slap a talisman on it. Maybe while they at it they can finish the Heli. Assuming the person we talking here actually think before buying not buying the highest tier premium there is in the game , then sure.
That’s what I was saying though they could have easilly used the KVT as a Squadron vehicle or the Click bait and then added a “Gulf war” Special premium M1A1 while keeping the Austrailian vehicles in the UK tech tree.
Simply put the USA in game didnt need the M1 AIM the same as Germany didnt need the 2A4M. I’m not questioning the commercial success of these vehicles.
Well it is money at the end of the day. Suck to be minor nation I guess. You either get nothing or get the borderline unusable as a premium or as a new vehicle. Chally 3TD is still one of the worst top tier tank btw