They genuinely do take a few hits, especially now.
Back a year and a half ago sure, one tap central but now? nah
Like 3bm60 through the turret ring?
No danger
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a frontal shot always one shot the abrams
the basket when hit generate a second spall cone instead of just letting the projectile go through and partially eat the first spall cone
this is why its a nerf
you can get in custom
shoot it in the middle of lfp and see on the hit analysis it will show a second spall cone when the turret basket is struck, which is unrealistic
also im guessing you are hit by an autocannon since ur top left idler wheel are blacked out same with ur track so im guessing they aim at ur idler wheel at a round 30-45 degree angle from ur idler to their position, it explained why the breech is partially orange and basket is out and commander is dead, because commander replaced the loader
which mean that you kill him the moment ur basket is out
and if its a full dart then ur engine should be taken out as well so its probably an autocannon round from 2s38 or PUMA
Or I can do what ive been doing since the basket was added and actively using the tank.
consistently the baskey has saved me.
Doesnt show a second spall for me mate, what it does show, is the continuation of some spall through it, howevef the basket is only modelled properly on the floor and neck, so realistically when you hit the floor part, the spall soaks into it destroying the module.
it infact doesn’t generate more spall from it.
Wrong, was a T72B3 with 3BM60 so yeah you aren’t even in teh same ball park, that was after ive already taken a few hits and repaired.
“should be” ? Well shows how much you know bud also, you’re level 6 what are you even on about here? xD I also stated, in the very post you are talking to, that it was a 3BM60…
I will also add, fighting against abrams they now soak shots that used to be easy one tap side shots. ill even dig through my damn replays to prove it to you if you want
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Lying isnt good yk
basket save you once every 100 games is consistence im guessing
must be a very damn poorly placed shot to not take out the engine then
stats shame lmao, buddy i dont need to play the game in order to have an idea how the game work, its like saying you dont know how a tank work because you didnt operate one in which knowing the game mechanics and how it work is easier than operating a tank. Im interested in the game but dont have the time to properly play it so my respond may differ but that does not mean i dont know anything which shame on you for stats shaming
hell what i stated is logically correct since you are hit on ur idler wheel which mean they shot ur idler wheel while taking out track and ur basket and commander position is dead which mean that ur commander replace loader(because hitting idler wheel with autocannon doesnt reach engine bay or full dart doesnt generate enough spall to kill commander only gunner
and ur breech is yellow so i guess ur breech also partially took the damage
which doesnt make sense because hitting on that trajectory mean it would take out ur gunner
which make sense im gonna be honest, the guy got unlucky with the spall hence it does not killing ur whole tank
mb forgot to also account in the missing fuel tank which mean the fuel tank prolly also ate the spall
Not lying, I typed that after generating 5 shots with the M829A2 round.
So yeah it didnt generate more spall off the bottom rung of the basket.
every game so far it has saved me at least once in one abrams.
so yeah consistently enough to notice.
Dude shot me clean through the turret ring, was a good shot, just I was better positioned so it came out the tank not went clean through teh front and out the back, was at an angle…
No it isn’t , at all, you stated it must of been a smaller caliber round aka a 2S38 or PUMA, I believe.
to not hav wiped out the tank entirely.
You lack the fundamental experience with
- the tanks at this BR
- The rounds and how they work properly
- even the models in game.
ive played over 3000 hours over 5/6 years, learning as much as I possibly can, and I still learn every damn day different part of the game.
Stat shaming you because you are here stating to me “facts” which are factually incorrect which shows a lack of understanding, which is apparent in the statement that the turret basket generetes spall, when only two sections of it actually count as modules and do not infact generate even more spall.
Fuel tank was already gone to a 3BM46 round from a T80U, the T72B3 shot infact soaked into the turret ring module in the middle, saving the gunner and allowing me to not only turn the tank and fire back (with the broken turret) but also kill the gepard behind him with a follow up shot.
then repair and push their base.
So again, this is incorrect. Overall the turret basket has left me in a situation like that at least once a game , allowing for survival, rather than out and out destruction.
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i definitely disagree with the turret basket being life saver but the other parts fair enough
A big skill issue, a tank with a huge weakspot and you still can’t kill nor disable it’s definitely your fault.
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You still got me wrong even though i explained my point over and over again, Gaijin literally copied and pasted every Abrams but when they reached the M1A2 they decided to make the turret ring much weaker and they gave it better thermals+dart, so remove these things every Abrams starting from the M1A2 to the SEPV2 would make them worse than the base M1, no hull improvement whatsoever, DU could’ve been in one single tank considering there were 5 of them, but Gaijin said Naaah.
Definitely, they’re much vulnerable and considering what they face in Top Tier (SU30SM,SU34,Kamovs…etc)
They’re absolutely more survivable than any Abrams after the M1A2.
Thanks to Gaijin adding Clickbaits, maybe blame them?
Buddy you talking about something that happens rarely, you do realize there are bad players at Top Tier right?
Nah, i want better armor and the turret ring fixed, maybe some hull improvements?, then the WR will absolutely go up.
Crazy how when you complain about a bad performing tank you get attacked “Muh position better” “Muh you got 5 sec reload” This forum is a joke.
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The T80U is not better than any of the abrams.
I’ve statistically pointed out why
You and I quote here said this.
“A gazillion” T80s. That implies there are lots of them, when in reality, theres 3 in the tech tree, and 4 including premiums.
And those three in the TT one is 10.7!!
Moving the goalposts now mate.
Enough, you’ll obviously argue black was white for the sake of it.
I blame the countless idiots who dont bother to look at flanks, it’s regardless of premium users or not, people do not check flanks, do not hold back and have some patience and generally the match is over in the first 3 mintues regardless of prems or not.
I love how you edited this to make it seem as if the Su30SM and Su34 beat american CAP in any way, The KH38 which is a different topic should be removed yes.
But dont act like US cas isnt dominating from 12.7 downwards mate, The F15E/I sits at 12.7 while being objectively better in every way bar AGM, than the su30.
Stop trying to move the goalposts.
You claimed hte T80s are better than the abrams and tis factually incorrect.
The 80BVM is about on par with an M1A2, BTW ive been out in the sep v1 and look at the win rate, 13 percent, why ? cause of US teams xD
Theres top tier prems for germany, russia, italy, britain, china and ofc isreal, non of them are affected as drastically as US is.
Theres a difference but, complaining about ariete? Cr2? type10? lecelrc? Merkavas ? even the ZTZ99A and VT4?
No one will debate with you.
Why? because they are objectively suffering tanks, they are worse than the big 3 in almost every way.
Secondly, for you to say im attacking you , when you engaged with me, with a false claim that all i did was prove wrong shows the mentality you are taking.
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the last time gaijin use their statistic its isnt very good
I mean numerically speaking of the vehicles.
so dont get involved if aren’t.
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Stats don’t prove anything, we talking about armor and T80s are definitely more armored than any Abrams.
You still can’t prove me wrong and i’ve literally said “After the M1A2”.
Russians tend to play like this more expecting that their armor would protect them.
Russia most of the time gets to play with Germany,Sweden against poor armored nations with bad AAs, so i wouldn’t blame them if they quit seeing the horde of SU30SM.
We talking Top Tier buddy, in that case Russia definitely controls the skies and the ground, even if they start losing the ground just spawn 2 SU30SM and 1 SU34 and they would vaporize the enemy team in seconds.
I’ve also mentioned “After the M1A2”
Not as armored, the M1A2 is better in mobility, reload that’s it, which one of these things got added to shut the US mains from complaining about the 80’s hull facing Relikt.
It’s their way for “Balance” is to buff the reload instead of fixing the actual issue.
None of them nations are famous like the US though.
So is the Abrams suffering from a hull from the 80’s, huge weakspot, Hydraulic pump acting like turret ring any small thread will disable your turret.
I didn’t say you did, forum is full of people that for some reason they tend to attack just the US mains, you can easily spot them across posts.
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Not really a skill issue, just something I’m not familiar with. I usually take out the turret anyways, and just have to follow up with a second shot. I say everyone crying about Russian tanks have more of a skill issue than me.
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Not familiar of shooting at a huge weakspot that a 2 year old can aim at?
Would you kindly show me?
Just to clarify, I mainly do Customs, and have for a while. So I’m fighting my friends: Russians, Germans, Chinese, Swede, Israeli tanks. The only time I fight America is in the sky, not on the ground.
So you have zero experience fighting one and playing with an actual Abrams, and you still think you know better?
Enough of this.
what you said is written above unless you intend to change what you ahve written.
i already did, proved that the abrams are objectively better than all the T80s and on par with the BVM but okay
Ive got 6 nations at top tier ground mate, and the most prolific for holding W and losing to being flanked are US teams.
No buddy we weren’t talking “top tier” we where talking about the abrams, and almost all of them if I read the text mentioned above.
Russia infact does not control the ground.
They cant spawn all that if you do not let them If i can shoot down exactly what you listed then get an assist on an F15I with a fking J8B then the average player can in a top tier plane.
so again, stop moving the goalposts bud.
You initiated this conversation thusly .
“Russia got a Gazillion T80 with unpenetrable hull and good speed, US got 7 Abrams but just 2 of them are fun to play”
Which I was debating over as you were insisting that even the 11.7 T80U’s are better than the higher Br’d abrams (which they aren’t)
The actual issue cannot be fixed the “concrete” evidence that every abrams is loaded with DU armour inserts on the hull was debunked and was proved to have been 5 trialed M1A1s, which granted could be added.
Then you would literally have the highest hull armour, turret armour and ofc fire power combined with mobility it would be the dominant tank?
were you even around when the first abrams was introduced? cause of that thing they had to change the match maker man xD
the tank as it sits now is actually really balanced.
right remove its 5 second reload, put it to 7.1 seconds aced and give them all the DU hull inserts then, watch as it’s still not enough
Are you kidding? xDDD USSR win rates didnt crash like the US did and its just as globally if not more famous.
That statement in of itself shows how little you know and how you just want one particular tree to supersede the others.
The british are world famous in tank design, and world renowned for it as well, the Germans did not muck about and have had massive export success and are incredibly well known world wide.
Italy china and isreal sure they aren’t as famous. but still to act like only the US is famous military wise is ridiculous.
Ill keep that in mind while im rofl stomping in it bud.
the abrams is miles better than the minor nations.
Can you blame them? USA is one of the strongest trees in the game overall BR for BR, hence why ive got a lineup for almost every step (if not every) step since 6.7
Dude would argue black was white.
I mean you’re harping on about it as if T80U’s are rolling through you, which they are not
I never claimed to know better about the Abrams. I haven’t really touched them since I got America to where I wanted (M48, M41, that terrible SPAA at 7.7, and the F-100D). So either you can kindly show me where the supposed “major weakspot” is, or you can do well to stop crying about T-80s which (again) is the easiest thing to destroy.