I’m in exactly the opposite camp, I do not want to be flying a Sea Harrier at top tier. If it was a Harrier II airframe like the AV-8B+ is, I would be slightly more OK with it. The Tornado might be a brick but 9Ms and AMRAAM would already make it significantly more capable to the point where its poor agility almost doesn’t matter.
I’d unironically have a blast in the Hawk 200, plus I swear it has the good ADEN’s and not the 30mm’s.
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For what it’s worth he also said this:
Note that when he says top tier is 11.0 - 11.7 here, I think he just means the CAS options we already have and in relation to ground RB, not indicative that the new aircraft will also be in that range.
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Yeah, If Britain got regular, interesting additions like the Hawk. The lack of top tier wouldnt be quite as painful
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The pre-production model had two internal ADEN 25, production Hawk 200s use the centerline gunpod like the older Hawks
I suppose that’s true, but if everyone has the same stick you are still stuck with FOXHUNTER which compared with at least the PS-05 is worse. I don’t know, I guess we will just have to make whatever we get work.
That’s a fair interpretation.
Ahh thats a right shame as i’m sure the pre-production would have had some sort of significant downside but the singular centreline 30mm would be insanely hard to use at top tier.
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Time for a Hawk 200 suggestion propaganda
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would be really nice with 9L’s at 10.3/10.7
The only main downside to the pre production Hawk 200 would be lack of integration of later weapons like ASRAAM and AMRAAM. Although that arguably works in its favor as it’s subsonic
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11.0 with Skyflashes… Leave the sidewinder only for the 100 series :)
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Hawk will be the new spitfire of the tree…
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My thoughts exactly, if it sacrificed SKYFLASH then maybe not worth it but as a low(er) tier missile bus with some decent flight performance clean it would be great.
On the topic of trainers… Please Gaijin the Gnat, it is the direct response to things like the G/91 and CL-13.
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And (maybe) the lack of wing tip pylons on the earlier one too, I have to check that, but I haven’t seen them on the early except that mockup I found, which idk if would be enough for Gaijin to consider it.
*The mockup:
I mean, we could just say this is one of the prototypes heh
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@Headnaught what would be the possibility of adding something like the Gnat MK.2 as the wing was built, engine was partially (?) built and due to be mated to a standard Gnat fuselage before it was cancelled?
Hawk is something that should have been added years ago (how many times do we say that) to be honest. Even still, I’d take something fun to fly over another brick with “good” missiles.
Yeah. In the absence of anything “top tier”
- Any Hawk
- Jaguar Gr3A
- Buc S2B
- Avro Vulcan
and then finish the Tornado IDS and I would be very happy
(You defo cant tell that I like mud moving :P )
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That’s pretty much how I feel, I’d trade in a top tier for the Superswift, Gnat and Hawk.
I can’t speak for Gaijin on that front (or any front really but that’s besides the point). If it was partially built then I guess it would be a valid suggestion at least.
I wanna know why they never put Spey’s into the Jag, it was known that the Jag’s engine was hilariously underpowered but surely the Spey would’ve been the perfect redesign, China did something similar for the JH-7 and Japan with the T-2/F-1 (obviously not with Spey’s).
With the ‘big wing’ redesign and new engines I think they would’ve lasted waaaayy into the 2000’s. Even better when you realise BAe at the time wanted to use the new carbon fibre manufacturing for lighter but as sturdy jaguar wings.
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