Do you guys think their BRs[ are way too high? In my opinion, they should be all in 12.0.
Especially now, with new Pantsir coming.
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the uht is obsolete, it has no machine gun, no radar, no dircm and has the worst fire and forget missile, yes its stupid to see this helicopter at this br with mi-28 nm havoc, or the apache E. But if gaijin was consious of that, they would’ve changed this months ago. Same probeleme, they dont play there game.
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12.3 probably.
The Ka-52, Pantsir, and Z-10A / Z-10 should move up by 0.3 too.
They should also decompress Ground BR to at least 13.0 to introduce the new Pantsir and move up the good top tier SPAAs (Mamba and IRIST).
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they are aware, they just wanna act like germany have a top dog helicopter. They just added 4 extra F&F missiles to it in the current ninth wave devserver
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Nice to have 12*pars3 but it’s far from enough
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Heyy, would you like to sacrifice your only weapon against planes to have 4x more firecracker pops? Sounds amazing, doesn’t it?
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Helicopters must suffer, so as high as possible is fine
Write a petition about LDIRCM removal and we can talk about it
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Ka-52 can’t move up if F&F missile platforms move to 12.3, there’s also the fact all of Ka-52’s equals are 11.7 and 12.0.
Pantsir itself can’t move up without all 11.7 - 12.0 CAS moving up with it.
Z-10A can’t move up either without Apaches moving up.
They have tor. They will manage, like we did for a looooong while.
TOR combats 11.0 - 11.3 CAS, and slower 11.7 CAS, it doesn’t combat F-111C/F onward.
so, you mean an apache A is equal to ka52? Its superior to any platform with hellfires only. Z-10 is even worse than an apache.
Wdym? F-111 is just food… Let me check. Yup Tor is perfectly adequate for combating all CAS up to 12.3.
F-111C/F range: >16km.
TOR range: <12km.
You probably looked at CLAWS instead of TOR.
Any balance decision of top tier is by design.
Gaijin knows damn well.
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It can if said F&F platforms are dogshit ( aka the UHT).
Not a fact. The KA-52 is superior in most relavant aspects.
Again, only certain CAS need to be moved up along with it, such as the Mirage DR-1, Su-39/Su-25T, JH-7A, the F-16s, and the Gripen As.
Maybe the Aardvark but it’s a boat that can’t dodge most top-tier AAs, which is a huge disadvantage, and is already 11.7.
Z-10A is superior to all current 11.3 - 12.0 apaches except the British 12.0 AH-64, hence why it should move up to its equal.
The Rooivalk could probably move up too (since it has better hellfires and access to mistrals instead of just ATAS), though it doesn’t have very good anti-air / as good anti-heli capabilities as the Z-10s do, and it doesn’t have very good anti-SPAA / as good anti-heli / as good anti-air capabilities as the Tea Apache.
It would also be good if the AH-1Z got SAL JAGMs and move up to 12.3.
F-111C and F would have to move up with Pantsir as well as Tornadoes with GBUs, the aircraft that Pantsir is there to counter.
Just as a Pantsir will frag one of them that’s lacking, they will frag enemies of the Pantsir team if the Pantsir is lacking.
The Z-10A is currently 11.7, and is slightly worse than the Apache.
The British Apache is firing the same weapons as the other Apaches.
Anti-air in helicopters is a non-starter.
Ka-50’s anti-air capabilities is 10.3 at best, and that’s one of the best ones, so it being 11.0 doesn’t matter because at 11.0 there are better SPAA than there are anti-aircraft helicopters.
All helicopters, without exception, at and above 11.3 is well above their anti-air capabilities in BR, and thus a BR increase based on anti-air would be silly.
That’d be like claiming the OTOMATIC should be 12.0 because it can take on aircraft as well as tanks, when it’s already over-BR’d from people using it well against tanks and almost nothing to do with its anti-air.
9 times out of 10 the Pantsir is able to deal with said opponents. Either by killing them outright or intercepting all their munitions.
The F111C and F, as well as the Tornados, would be more of an equivalent to the ADATS and ITO 90 (which both should be 11.7).
Not really. The AKD-10s are much more usable at range, and is very useful against helicopters.
The Z-10A also gets much much better AAMs (the TY-90s and not the ATAS).
Another lie. It uses hellfires AND starstreaks, which is extremely effective against SPAAs, and quite useful against planes and helicopters (given that they are within 7km).
What a disgusting lie against the Chinese Helicopters.
The Z-10 wouldn’t be 11.7 if it only had access to 8x AKD-10s.
The Z-19 wouldn’t be 11.3 if it only had access to 8x AKD-9s.
The UHT only has access to 4x ATAS and no GUN to defend itself, meaning practically ANY jet can kill it with relative ease.
The KA-52 has access to 8x IGLAS, DIRCM, and ~550RPM 30mm BMP APDS gun that can snipe planes from ~2.5km. They are not the same in terms of self-defence.
The Z-10A’s TY-90s can kill distracted or rear-aspect opponents in majority of cases, and gets access to eight of them!
The difference between the OTOMATIC and such helis with AA capabilities is that the OTOMATIC can’t kill either effectively past 11.3, whereas helis such as the Z-10 can kill tanks, helis, and sometimes even SPAAs quite effectively… all while having the ability to defend itself from aircraft.
It’s like if the OTOMATIC was 10.3 – nobody would say the OTOMATIC isn’t great against tanks if it were at that BR, let alone being able to destroy a decent portion of aircraft at that BR.
@rainy2000
I am aware that there are more skilled Pantsir players than skilled CAS players, there’s a reason “Pantsir OP” was ever a narrative after it finally brought an inkling of balance to CAS. It wasn’t anywhere close to enough, but it was enough to get zombing to end.
F-111C and Tornado piloted by equal skill can never, EVER die to ADATS or ITO-90M. It’s physically impossible as those SPAA systems lack the range.
Starstreaks aren’t an air to ground missile, not sure why you’re moving the goalposts to anti-air.
Mi-35 is over-BR’d as well, helicopters BRs can be wrong.
Mi-35, Z-19, etc being over-BR’d doesn’t change reality.
Also, Z-10 would still be 11.7 with 8x AKD-10s, because the Apaches are 12.0, and AKD-10 is slightly better than AGM-114K.