Br changes needed

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There is a lot planes that are in need of Br changes, but i gonna list the ones i know and then you give me your opinion, so lets go:

J7W1 6.0Br → 5.7Br, i barelly touch it and thats because it sucks at everything, the climb rate, the acceleration, the turn rate, and still at 6.0Br… the only goods of this planes is… top end speed and the cannons, otherwise it should go down to 5.7Br or rather give him an Interceptor air spawn so it can be competente at the start of the match.

F-86K 9.0Br → 8.7Br, is the worst sabre in the game, sure it gets acces to a better engine than the oders sabres but lets say for example a Swift F.7 can do and even out do everything you do plus Swift F.7 sits at a lower Br with better flight performance, not to mention the Lim-15… and also is one of the only planes that i have a negative K/D ratio besides bombers…

A-4B 8.7Br → 8.3Br, since its the worst A-4, it gers the worst of the A-4’s engines, plus it doesnt have countermeasures, sure their not that needed… but since the F-4 have a really bad energy retention if you have to doged a missile you will easily be a sitting duck and ppl will just catch you out of guard, and get missiled, this one is not that bad compared to the last planes i mentioned but is not 8.7 material by any means since there is the A-4E wich has acces to a better engine and also have countermeasures, and also A-4H israel one with a WAY better engine at 8.3Br, sure you dont get acces to countermeasures but with the engine i managed to dogfight Sabres and MiGs, while A-4B have to cope.

FG.1 / FGR.2 12.0Br → 11.7Br are one of those planes thar just exist, back in the day they were meta, they were the kings of top tier, but as for it is right now theres no reason to kept it at 12.0Br, it should go straight down to 11.7Br or rather give them both AIM-9L or even AIM-9L (Swift) wich btw 9L Swift is an 9L with IRCCM like the AIM-9L/I does so it could be competent, but as for it is right now theres 0 reason to play it.

Kurnass 2000,12.3Br → 12.0Br
12.3Br… meanwhile F-18A and F-16A at the same Br as a Phantom… and in the same tree you get a better air frame with a lower Br and same armamente wich is a worth trade off ( Kfir C.7 )… nothing to say about it…

MiG-23MLD 11.7Br → 12.0Br MiG-23MLD is like the 4th fastest plane in the game, and 4th because 3rd F-111, 2nd F-15E and 1st MiG-25, i managed to get aces almost every game and that thing still at 11.7Br, not russian bias.

Let me know your opinion on this topic and let me know if there is another plane that needs Br changes.

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11.7 exists because of the Mig-23ML. Without the Mig-23, there’s no reason to have 11.7 [though F-4J UK should probably join them at 11.7].
Also the FG1/FGR2 are the best flight performance Phantoms in the game.
Having a lower range for head-ons isn’t as big of a deal as having >10% worse flight performance.
They’re also better than the Mig-23ML which you suggested be a higher BR than something superior to it for some reason.

Oh, and pinned topic:

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You couldn’t be more wrong buddy

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Back when I spaded this crate, it couldn’t even turn, and I recommended it plummet to like 4.3. Now it at least has some maneuverability, but as its opposition quickly becomes absolutely nasty, I’d hesitate to suggest more than 4.7 even today.

And if someone playing tanks complains, let 'em whine.

I don’t play the rest of these so I have no comment on them. However, I think more broadly the bulk of the Japanese props are horrendously overtiered for what they are capable of.

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oh god no

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separate BRs for ground battles exist, it could easily just keep itself a 6.0 in tank battles while being on a lower BR is air battles.

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What you need is this

Current crap doesn’t cut it.
Uptier /downtier a few planes will not fix the MM …

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Also the J32b 9.3 to 9.0 because its unplayable at 9.3 since you are only facing planes that are in all aspects better than the J32b

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I want to see both BRs lowered - if the Yak-9K sits at 5.0 with a gun penning considerably more on a generally better platform, there is no sane reason the J7W1 cannot be 4.7 in both modes.

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You are asking for compression.

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Really toxic attitude.

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This should be 5.3. It gets kneecapped by a lot of stuff even in a downtier, and 5.7 matchmaking means moving it down there makes no difference. The only reason it was at 6.0 in the first place was the amazing cannons, and now they have nerfed them to the ground.

This seems like a legacy BR that Gaijin forgot to change back from when we didn’t have separate BRs for ground and air.

I guess it could, , but does it really matter? The only reason it’s good is the R24s. The FM is mid and was nerfed this year, and the radar is also mid. If the MLD goes up, others like the MLA and ML should too. The only big differences it has are a better RWR and better AoA.

Also the mm is not really good at 11.7 since most of the time it’s ur team full of 11.7 MLs that bomb and die, while the other team gets a bunch of 12.0 prem spam and such. I have seen many matches where my team was 2/3 MiG-23s while the other team is literally a 12.7 uptier alongside a bunch of F4Ss.

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A32A lansen should go from BR 9,0 to 8,7
it has no missiles, its cannons have werry low muzzle velocity, it is subsonic, turns like a brick and it is terrible in uptier.

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thats so real!
lansens need some love from dews

plz ad the RB-04 to A32A (it is kind like the sea eagle missile)

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Personally i use the A32 like a bomber, just because i just cant fight with it, also the J32 should go down to 9.0Br, the F4D being a better dogfighter and F3H being sorta same to J32 theres no reason to kept it at 9.3Br imo

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Further compressing jets so that rank 5/6s become more unplayable

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crazy how every br change/decompression thread ends up advocating for more compression

is it really that hard to understand that things should go UP, not down?

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İmo all the proposed changes are fine except ML/MLD, they really aren’t 12.0 worthy

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Post here.

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IDGAF, in all seriousness. I have seen enough self-inflicted damage be done to this game by extremist groups, such as these whiny tankers, amongst its playerbase to know quite plainly that we cannot please all factions in the community simultaneously.

The only solution in my mind is fairly simple: make their whining look like their own fault.

Because if it looks to a third party like it is solely the fault of the people doing the whining, those people garner no sympathy, and get ignored. By being ignored, they are no longer able to harm the rest of the game.

Relating specifically to the J7W1, its guns would have at most 38mm pen with the funny APHE rounds. Given planes cannot shoot point blank without crashing, their practical killing power vs tanks will be far less than the above number might suggest. But I fully expect the above whiny tankers to freak the fuck out at the mere idea of dropping the J7W1 to the likes of a BR where its flight performance would actually have it belong. Therefore, I repeat - ignore them, drop its BR anyway, and let 'em whine.

Because no matter what things change in this game, those sorts of people will always find something new to complain about in a neverending cycle of victimhood and nerfs applied to try and appease their screaming, leaving the rest of us to pick the pieces, if any are even worth picking up at that point. As one example - MK103 saw its original nerfs begin back in 2016, and even years later, it still hasn’t recovered. Cases like that are precisely what I mean “if any are even worth picking up.” The people whose screaming caused nerfs like that do not care what they ruin. Therefore I do not care what becomes of them.