this is simply not true
If duplet needs to be changed to have 400mm protection, relikt needs change too
Relikt currently does not have correct protection levels in game too, similar to the duplet ERA in game. We should have 400mm of protection of the side relikt armor and 500mm in the front
No as i never got shown that list. I just got told “Ask a tech mod” and that was basically it
That list is pinned at the top of the “official news” section of the forum :)
so… its accurate to ingame model then?
It sure does stop 3BM42, and then 3bm60 has like 200mm more pen so it does not stop it?
we should combine all this data btw
3BM42 in game penetrates beyond the 60mm on the normal it penetrated in the test footage.
See how it penetrates the first armour plate and stops either in the composite cellular armour or on the plate in the middle of the composite?
In reality this is how it should be, it should not even touch the composites inside.
I refer you to the calculations made according to testing data
Ohhhhhh okii… Thats my bad then. sorry for being mean
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that depends on how the shot was made. It looks to me that the shot was made much more to the “skit” side of the turrer, somwhere here
And it had some effect also on “angling” the sabot. Or maybe the shot was made with that angle from the start. That is said its “on normal” to the era boxes tho.
Plus the ingame penetration is not accurate to real one. We have simplified model, we dont have realistic penetration numbers. The shot does not turn inside armor when penetrating - it turns after penetration.
I see no problem with it considering that facts.
Also, im now curious but cant try myself. May you try shooting a bit to the left? as i show on the pic. Tho the Shtora would also have some effect, but that shot you show is a bit innacurate anyway
The result would be the same, it hits two ERA tiles, plus their covers and dampeners, and then impacts the angled plate behind the ERA module.
This is exactly the same as the module they used in the testing, the angle of fire is also the same as the testing.
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Correct, we don’t have a realistic model in game. So the decreased penetration (about 80% of BM42) is what should be reflected in game to most closely match the result of the test footage. Each tile should stop about 200mm of kinetic penetration instead of 140mm.
only reason 3bm42 performs well against duplet era because its a two piece
core ammunition
french ofl 120 f1 also got tested against duplet ERA where only 20mm of armour was penetrated
Yes I am also aware of this, however if the armour is modelled from BM42, the kinetic reduction should be >400mm.
For the OFL 120 tests we need more information. On some of the documents we have it says that in this test they used a prototype version of Duplet so there is room for doubt. But at the minimum we should have >400mm kinetic reduction in game.
is that reflected ingame tho?
mmmm idunnoboutthat. Tho im not that against that, i`d love Oplot to be better armored, but on the hull, not the turret. Turret is already good enough.
Well it’s the same ERA on both the turret and hull. So making the ERA values more realistic automatically improves the hull armour as well.
Also I don’t know if you know about the missing 50mm steel plate controversy that has been discussed in past threads
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ah i heard much of that, and i still cant decide if its truth or not. There are many different opinions on that. I also remember that some claim that the hull must be 5 layer, tho that looks much unrealistic to me. And some said that them gaijin included the 50mm plate in “protection” stats of the Knife ERA blocks
idk how war thunder models there APFSDS rounds and if they would add a two piece core ammunition simulation to the game my guess probably not but even 3bm42 pen factors are incorrect its closer to 500mm at 100m irl but duplet ERA in game seems to lack nizh ERA it only says its on the roof not the upper front plate
No. And there is no documentary evidence of anti-era qualities. It’s nothing more than a rumor at the moment.
Briefly: in all images and sources we have about the UFP of the BM Oplot, the two layers of ERA are separated by a 50mm RHA plate.
In game, gaijin has decided to model this as a 35mm structural steel plate (Structural steel is 45% as effective as RHA). So basically, not only is the ERA underperforming, but it is additionally missing an entire steel plate.
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Well you can see for yourself from available sources.