BI-1 Is Pay-to-Win and needs to be dealt with

Spread, when combined with volume of fire, means less accuracy is needed when hitting targets. Your bullets effectively cover a wider area.

You do need high volume of fire though, since for every hit shot several more are almost certainly going to miss.

I also wouldn’t hold the Zwilling up as a strong example of widely spaced guns. The two wingmounted cannons are decently far from the centerline, but the nose mounted ones aren’t that widely spaced, and since they’re also widely spaced from each other, you don’t get the deadzones you get with other widely spaced but concentrated guns.

Try out the VB.10 series if you want to know what true spray and pray gameplay is like.

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he almost doesn’t have any TT fighters.

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Guys can I remind everyone you’re to debate the topic and not the user so you can either move it to DM’s or leave each other alone!

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You can force the Me 262 and P-59 into a punishable mistake.
You CAN’T force the BI-1 into a mistake, unless the BI-1 literally decides to kill himself in a headon.
The only option you have against the BI-1 is to shallow dive at 750 KMH TAS at high alt, and that would only result in you having a chance to return to airfield and then leave the battle.
Only way to kill a BI-1 is with good teamwork with another player, but that’s not always a reliable option.

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My KDr for air to air is fine is good. Check my recent games again, if you’re so concerned.

So if I’m not the greatest with the BI, but I do good with all these other planes, then I think it’s obvious the BI isn’t the golden ticket you all assume it to be.

Additionally, when I made a poll, nobody even voted in the part where I asked if you had it or not, in the spot where I said or not. So you purposely refuse to say you don’t own it, and have no actual in game usage of it.

And seeing the BI at 7.3 / 7.7 would render is useless. Which is hilarious because you guys love to try and do that to Russian vehicles all the time.

Bottom line is the bi is a very good plane, but in no way is it OP. If it had 160~ rounds and consistent cannon damage, instead of the roll of the dice that it is, then I’d agree.
But until then 6.7 is fine.

@TheKnightOfZero

Yeah they’re still not really listening to you. They’re stuck on the example I posted of how shvaks do poor damage, but they keep bringing it back to “you have bad aim”

An me262 will just out run you lol. He won’t compress like you, by the time you hit 425 mph in the BI everything starts to stiffen up, so unless the BI was touching you, and you decide to hide at the AF, he won’t catch you, and will likely hit the ground due to loss of controls.

Bar the comment that was removed the other ones are debating the topic and aren’t in breach of any rules !

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that’s the Me-262 for you, it’s only upside is speed

BI-1 doesn’t to have it all speed, turn, climb, acceleration, energy retention, ballistics and nose mounted armament.
You can also add fuel, since at 10% power it can cruise at over 500km/h.

Just because 1 plane can outrun doesn’t mean your plane is bad.
Look at the he-162, it’s fast and turns somewhat well, but in loses in almost a lot other thing. which is why it faces props.

A jet ≠ a rocket

Again. I’m willing to test the Bi vs whatever you want to fly

the roles are supposed to be reversed, because if you lose on purpose you prove your point.
Simple as.

Don’t ignore the screenshots and the graphs we drew up during all of this. Your only proof is still just a screenshot of randoms rank III props you played and videos of you killing planes in tank battles. Which by the 1000th time, tank battles experiences don’t apply to air battles.

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Ask one these people to duel you. Since they own the BI-1

You’re the one so adamant saying it’s op.

Who says you won’t lose the duel on purpose?

im not the only one, +8 people also said the BI-1 is OP.

True, almost as if the vehicles should be swapped, someone else needs to fly the BI-1, But I can’t duel you since I don’t own any vehicles needed to prove the BR I want the BI-1 at, which is 7.7, or the BI-1 itself.

Spoiler

Just say you can’t grab onto anything anymore and we can wait for another BI-1 user to keep the argument in your place.
Also I believe during your little ARB quest you didn’t touch any shvak cannon or MK-108.
only the M2 50cal (mid war and late war belts), 37MM M10 cannon and 20mm mg151/20.
And biggest factor is, you didn’t record and since you are a Console player, can’t actually prove if you did A2A combat, or just jumped some wyverns and IL-10s

Guys look neither of you are going to agree just leave each other alone at this point !

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I literally used the Shvak on the Yak-3 which proved less deadly than a 37mm or .50 cals.

In fact, I was doing the best with the German 15mm cannons

on the Eremin’s Yak-3(e), the one you already use.
im guessing of course you didn’t record it.

Yak-3P and TT yak-3 untouched.
any MK-108 armed plane still untouched, except BF-109Z which already comes with stats from tank battles.

no valid proof, end of discussion.

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It’s the pilot, not the plane😉 I disagree with on par with props - correct flown as a jet you are untouchable - i encourage you to fly it the P-59A; you outturn everybody faster and you are faster than things that outturn you.

The climb is bad, yes, but you decide when you are ready to engage. And keeping your speed very high vs props is essential - like with every other jet. The turn without instructor is excellent and good enough to clap a Yak-3U or a Ki-84.

The armament is actually its weak point if you have (like me) severe issues with the 37mm - with 0.50 cals (early belt) alone your “time-to-kill” is far too long for full lobbies - in small lobbies or pure axis vs allies matches the fire power is ok as you can create undisturbed 1 vs 1s on your terms.

I fly it just for fun and focus exclusively on high priority targets like Yak-3Us or 5.7 Spits and (ofc) the omnipresent Ki-84s. With some practice you can use your speed bleed after sharp turns to plant yourself at your opponent’s six; the turn is good enough to stay very long there. So whilst the low speed acceleration is bad it can be used to your advantage; the high speed acceleration is ok.

This is imho only possible in partial or full uptiers for them or facing average players flying them and/or just when playing them against squads / coordinated enemies.

The 6.7 Me 262 A-2a is “unkillable” by any prop. Same as the P-59A at 5.7 - if you fly them against props at the same BR or lower and you are aware of their top speeds at various altitudes.

The problems flying both are related to their teams and their armament - if your pure US team dies too fast before you had reached a safe altitude you face usually the whole remaining team. When they decide to chase you at staggered altitudes you can just focus on enemies in front and below you as any attempts regarding energy traps or reversals guys behind you are usually impossible if more than 2 are on your six.

Facing multiple enemies the armament of both jets denies you quick one-pass kills vs enemies paying a minimum of attention to you. So whilst German teams tend to die like flies (when using the 262) or US teams strongly rely on other nations like JP or UK in your team (when using the P-59A) your impact is actually rather limited if your are not able to at least occupy their best player/aircraft combo in order to keep your team alive.

I used to fly both with fuel loads for a whole 25 min match simply because you can’t afford to rearm as you will get camped - but i stopped playing both due the 2 mentioned downsides.

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You should really see someone for that persecution complex of yours pal.

this is the only weakness I’ve found for the he162 and 6.7 me262, your team dies and you’re stuck running away like a scared little dog and waiting for easy targets, its boring for everyone involved lol. Usually I just land and J out, I don’t want to waste people’s time, late props are already painful enough as is.

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I dont think any shrinks can fix this.

He is fully convinced that his aim is good and that BI isnt actually an 8.3-8.7 bias missile

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