I think the bf109s and fw190 are mostly fine except for the A5 planes (and maybe the bf109G10 being overtiered).
Since the flight model rework they are one of the worst planes at their brs. I dont know why gaijin did this to them. They didnt overperform before on a historical or ingame basis.
I hope they add the G-series of the fw190 in the future. Would be nice cas planes in grb. The G8 could take 250 kg bombs on the wings and one 500kg bomb under the fuselage or one 1800 kg bomb. Sadly most cas fw190s are missing somehow.
Thanks for the input, but i’m really not into planes that much to justify buying a joystick, especially for some planes that i don’t like in a game mode that has basically been forgotten by gaijin
A plane that need a huge energy advantage over its opponent to have any change is just a bad aircraft. For example: The italians produced way better aircrafts than the germans in WWII, but were to expensive to produce, so they stick to the bf (this is documented btw).
The moment you dont have a huge energy advantage, especially in ground RB, were you dont have time to climb to 5000 meters, lol, you are dead.
You know you can generate that energy advantage in a 1vs1 dogfight? Late Bf109s do suffer against griffon spits, but merlin spits? Unless it’s a japanese plane, all you gotta do is wiggle your tail appealingly in front of the spitfire so that it latches on and turn while climbing, alternating between steeper climbs and lower rate turns and higher rate turns/shallower climbs to keep making your opponent think they’re just about to get lead on you.
I’ve had the situation is question come up multiple times in Bf109F4, Bf109G2/trop and Bf109G14 and it works quite reliably.
Its main weakness is third-partying, but that’s the case for any kind of dogfighting maneuver that brings your speed under 350 km/h or applicable speed for your BR.
Second weakness is it requires good situational awareness. If you misjudge your relative energy with the spitfire, you can die easily. Meaning - you’re 300 km/h and get spooked by a spitfire that’s also at your altitude so you do the tried & true lure and get confused as it can do both rate and climb at once. What happened? The spitfire was flying at 450 km/h and could cash in that extra speed (this is how I died in a recent game in fact).
Its other weakness is that the spitfire can be smart and not follow you. Now you might ask, “if a method requires my enemy to make a mistake, it’s not a good method.” Counter-point: Merlin spitfires can only beat you if you don’t realize it’s a spitfire and try to flat-turn rate fight it because they’re lack the speed to force the engagement.
Play with this tool. Compare the Bf109F4 with the Spitfire Vb, the G14 with the Spitfire Vc
This tool, ignoring prop efficiency and drag, tells you your plane’s energy generation and supercharger gearshifts/gaps. Prop efficiency comes up under 200 km/h with late bf109s as your propeller blades are too small for the engine power you can output - you might notice WEP doesn’t work as well at such speeds - the blades stall, more or less! There’s ways around it by messing with prop pitch but that’s quite dangerous and advanced.
The prop pitch trick is more viable in cockpit view with VR/headtracking to keep an eye on engine RPM or with WTRTI displaying engine RPM. You must not let it go above 3200, ideally keep it at 3000 to be safe.
Not really, unless its a mk 24. Late 109’s dogpile on griffons. (Not in a dogfight.) The engine is no joke, the griffons take too long to latch on to once the 109 starts shallow diving, and easily looses most of the energy once you transition to the verticals. I vividly remember out-energy’ing 2 griffons in the K4, and also in the VK 107, but we can make an exception here since the VK-107 is an absolute monster.
I don’t really have anything to add majorly to the argument at hand though. I love all the mid-late 109’s but I detest all 190’s. The only thing I like is the 152 down that line, but anything else? I would rather be in a 109.
what? it doesn’t require this at all. Its just VERY GOOD at getting it compared to a lot of aircraft and easy to manipulate the scenario after acquiring it.
is there any way we can get them to revert the flight modules I love the fw190a5 and now its terrible to fly what can we do to get them to let us have fun?
Wait till you get to 262 and constantly face planes from 1960’s or even 1970’s
Best fun that you could have is to be shot by AIM 9 or radar spaa then called noob
8/10 would recommend
From my pov the reversal of flight model changes of any aircraft depend on 2 factors:
Significant player feedback from the right people in the right forum
Economic impacts of changes vs open or sub-concious bias
How?
If you dig deep enough in the rabbit hole of actual player impact on gaijin you find a lot of indicators that the Russian forum has some kind of power / influence - and can change some things if the right amount of long term players supports changes / requests / bug reports.
In addition you might agree that the BR range of German props already covers the sweet spot of the German Ground / Tank TT. If we have a common understanding that SB modes and Air RB are way less important than Ground warfare (and Air AB is way more popular than Air RB and Air SB) it seems obvious that German props will be used no matter how bad they might behave - they will be used in Ground RB doing way less sophisticated tasks.
Regarding bias: No matter of open or sub-conscious - as long as devs come from the former USSR you have to consider that almost everybody there lost ancestors in WW 2; there are still claims that the actual human casualties were close to 40 million (and not 26) and the “Great Patriotic War” is still a thing there - so it would be close to a miracle if there would not be any kind of bias.
It’s also like that at very low tiers when you have no big calibers and get uptiered with planes that have big calibers, except at very low tiers the pain doesn’t last very long while above 6.0 the grind is loooooong
I main France though so life isn’t really tough for me
