D13 is nice, pretty much the best one out of I would say all the 190s. D9 sort of lacks fire power, and the strike ones are quite pathetic.
Honestly, the amount of people that support such a thing may not have the effect we expect.
My report had around 25+ ppl supporting, was accepted but remains ignored for a year.
Meanwhile the klimb afterburner report that absolutely destroyed the 190 Anton’s thermals didn’t even have a valid source and was accepted immediately n implemented to the game. I don’t get it.
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I mean you don’t need a degree in Quantum Physics to understand why certain things happen. I am actually tired of certain bias within gaijin.
If you look at prop BRs the whole game play (including BRs and MM settings) is optimized to favor a certain nation whilst all others have to accept disadvantages (in every possible way) just because some folks think the war is not over and their inferior hardware (with 1 or 2 exceptions) needs support what ever it takes.
That’s why you face undertiered planes with rather questionable “stalinum” durability and overperforming cannons - and their average pilots still suck. The policy of ignoring bug reports of potential adversaries (imho an issue of all other nations) is just the cherry on the cake.
Have a good one!
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Let’s go 109Z
From yesterday:
So i played the K4 again and oh my lord, the guns are pure garbage, the 13mm does absolutely 0 damage and the 30mm is so anemic, the shells might as well just fall out of the gun
What an absolute miserable experience
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IAI belts for 13mms are very good dude, they do more damage than the Mg151/20.
As or the 30mms, yea it’s kinda bugged… on top of awful ballistics and RNG damage.
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G-14:
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20mm funpods but ya performance
Regarding 109s:
As previously stated and mentioned in this thread the downfall of the German air dominance is mainly based on the lack of experienced pilots which makes the performance disadvantage just clear visible.
I mean even in the theoretical case that gaijin would downtier the 109s (F-4 to G-6 one BR step, G-14 to K-4 two steps) in order to compensate the nerfs of them whilst their opponents were buffed - the players are the weak point in this scenario.
2 examples:
Example #1:
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I just came out of a 6 vs 6 match (axis vs allies setup, US vs GER, BR 4.7 - 5.7) in which both teams refused to climb. In 2018/19 the 3 109-G-14s and the 190 D-9 would have outclimbed my US team (2 x F-82E, 1 x F4U-4B, my P-47 D-28, 1 x P-51 D-30 plus a B-17 G) and BnZd my team to death.
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In this match both fighter player lobbies were tanker mains and based on the replay i was the only fighter who actually climbed above 2.500 meters.
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My 4 US fighter mates managed to kill the 190 D-9 and one G-14 before dying and I was gifted with 3 kills of totally oblivious enemies (2 x G-14, 1 x Ju 188). I did not attack their low 264 as i was not in a good position - he managed to crash during take-off…
Example #2:
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I played in a US/GER team vs THE WORLD (BR 3.7 - 4.7) - basically the worst setup you can get. We (my P-47 D-28 and 109 G-2/trop) played 2 vs 6 after a few minutes; the G-2 managed to stay alive because he jumped out of his aircraft after he was forced to land on the small airfield (result of a head-on with Yak-9 K) before he could get strafed.
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From the 6 German fighters in my team a single 109 climbed to 4.5 km - and this guy used his alt advantage for a dive, compressed and attacked then an ai plane which damaged his engine and he died later. Based on the replay a very aggressive flown US P-63 A-10 was the decisive factor: He killed 4 guys in total; 2 guys died after his death so we played then 2 vs 4, i killed a Yak-3 (as major threat), a P-51 crashed so it was 2 vs 2.
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As we both dove on a total oblivious J-21 (my kill) we saw a 3.7 Spit (IIb) at a slightly lower energy state. Instead of using his superior climb to energy trap the Spit my 109 mate went for head-on - and lost, imho he scored a minor MG 17 hit as he did not even got an assist after i killed the Spit. I took me less than 3 minutes to set up an energy trap and my first pass killed his engine.
So if a guy with 26 days of fighter experience (like in example #2) is either too lazy or not patient enough to set up an energy trap - how can we expect that way less experienced players (=majority of players) perform well with them?
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Had too many moments were I could just slap the shit out of my face because of how often 109’s are willing to throw enough.
A 109 K4 with gunpods against an A7M2? Sure just run he will have a hard time catching you and you can still reset the fight but what does he do? He turns IN to try and kill a La-9 OF ALL planes that he failed to kill prior. Leading to him getting killed by the chasing A7M2.
The general brainless-ness of FW 190 players. I swear, I’ve met too many FW 190’s both fighters/interceptors just willingly to eat grass and inhale ground targets. I had 190 players IGNORE fighters that needed help in a dogfight just to kill a ground target, bomb, rtb, and repeat. They literally refuse to help.
I agree, the whole ARB playerbase declined, went stagnant, rotted. I’m going to be off-the-rails here, but I feel like US and GER is hit hard by this, I don’t mind US/UK vs GER/ITLY matches, you can narrow down their weaknesses enough. I’ve had plethora of moments where I carried in both sides. But US vs JAP? Nah, forget it. You can tell a guy that they out-zoom everything in a corsair and to wait for you, but they’re still gonna try and out-rate a zero. Sickening. It feels like the only way to talk to your own team is to cuss them out.
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I don’t blame the players for this low iq gameplay. I blame gaijin and the grind. New players and old ones grinding new trees don’t have the luxury of enjoying prolonged fights. My educated guess would be that most people prefer to join the furball get 1 or 2 kills then jump into the next game and grind for the next plane.
Too often when i play a low tier prop and try to be smart and climb, one of the teams ends up dead before you finish dueling another player who chooses to climb. This would be a good thing if you were in an OP plane fighting against non-meta friendly ones. But of course this isn’t the case as people want to win and will gravitate towards the OP planes and you end up getting rolled.
If you could get RP by defensive flying in a FW190, i’m willing to bet gaijin’s CEO left nut that more players would enjoy flying it
tldr for low iq gameplay: gaijin’s fault
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Been playing italy recently, and I kinda wonder if splitting GER/ITA plays into this. I distinctly recall italians being part of germany when I first started.
Italian planes feel super agile (Re2001Cn in particular, but I hear G55 and G56s are also quite nimble. Yet to spade and learn them tho.). If you have sth like German/Italy vs USSR, most people stick with germany so it’ll be bf109s/fw190s vs yaks, i-185 and La-xes. Even in SB, there’s usually only 1 or 2 italians for 6 germans if not less. However, I wonder if italian planes were part of german TT - would it be more equal distribution across Bf109s/fw190s/Re2001/C205 like with Yaks/I-185/La-Xes?
Italy kinda feels like fills a similar role as UK does for US - planes that are very agile and able to pressure opponents to create space. (And conversely, flying Re2001Cn without Bf109/Fw190 support feels painful as every P-51, XP-50 and yak just runs away without me getting any say in the matter).
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Similar experiences here - the only difference is that i would use other targets for these slaps 😎
You can say anything you want - but war thunders main strength is still that they are able to generate emotional reactions even from battle hardened long-term players. It doesn’t matter if those emotions are positive or negative.
I would rephrased this that Air RB as game mode is rotten whilst gaijin is simply not interested in players learning to fly and perform ACM.
So if they want to accelerate player progress (without any efforts) as fast as possible to get to the shiny jets the option to bomb bases killed the necessity to learn in order to progress.
The sharp increase of new players during covid and gaijin’s attempt to lower the required skill / experience to participate in Air RB just multiplied this effect.
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From my pov the GER 109s & 190s were never really dominant in 1 vs 1s - but the advantage of having a lot of very experienced pilots thanks to the wt meta advantage of superior climb combined with actual team play vs stuff like LF Mk IXs or F4U-4Bs helped them to overcome certain performance disadvantages.
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But without having a guaranteed altitude advantage vs main threats and thanks to gaijin’s decision to kill axis vs allies in general (but keeping it running in 6 vs 6 matches in order to support Ju 288 sales) they scared a hell of good GER pilots away.
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The chances to meet highly experienced and successful 109/190 pilots are rather small. Why would experienced pilots consider to invest their time in them when it is much more easier to fly an USSR or JP plane like a Yak-3U or a A7M2?
This looks like a combined result of being no longer meta (GER) / never being meta (US) and the BR setting policy for other nations - accompanied by rather questionable weapon upgrades (like ShVak or Ho-103) of their opponents.
I mean i flew years ago the Ki-84 ko and never used the Ho-103s as the damage output was a joke - and after a revisit of this plane on this account it became my main weapon whilst i saved the 20mm Ho-5 for emergencies…
I just came out of a 3.7-4.7 match US/GER vs JP/USSR/UK - i played 1 vs 13 after 8 minutes. I mean i love those matches as you are (almost) “unkillable” in the P-47 D-28 but if you miss the few clear shots you have those games end usually in a guided map tour for the enemy team and a subsequent ticket defeat for me.
As this experience is imho the rule and not the exception and i see no real skill / experience gaps between players the only logical explanation is that GER & US planes have too high BRs or the other nations have too low BRs.
Have a good one!
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You can tell a guy that they out-zoom everything in a corsair and to wait for you, but they’re still gonna try and out-rate a zero.
Well, out-rating a Zero at high speeds would be historically accurate if gaijin modeled the Japanese planes correctly. So they got that historical spirit in them
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Agree - the problem is that from my pov Germany lacks an OP prop plane in the range 3.3 - 5.7.
The only real situation / combat scenario in which climbing pays out is when you fly in a P-47 vs JP teams on those Pacific maps - it is actually possible to win such matches solo 1 vs 6 as long as you play below 5.3. Without Ki-84s and A7M2s you can clap entire JP teams with excessive sideclimbing due to their lack of speed and high alt power - and thx to the high contrail alt of 6.500 meters u can get to safe alt before your contrail reveals your position.
I agree that defensive flying in a 190 can be fun - but not vs multiple opponents. I use my 190 F-8 just for BP challenges like killing enemies with a 1.000 kg bomb or more (i don’t play Ground RB) - all you have to do is to sideclimb up to 7-8 km, fly a wide loop, block enemy blind hunt / avenger orders and attack some (mainly US) boys reaming at their small airfield.
But thanks to the “engine overheating nerf” you need to avoid using WEP in the climbing phase - otherwise you engine temp of 83° Celsius (previously white) starts flashing red after ~ 15 minutes - and you don’t have the engine power without WEP to outrun any opponent or to reclimb…
Have a good one!
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Not sure if understand your post correctly - if you refer to the cancelling of axis vs allies and the absence of Italian support for German teams you have a valid point.
But as you stated correctly Italian props are extremely rare to see in Air RB - and despite some peaks in the past (looking at Re 2005) they are even more pushed into the corner than German props as they are performance-wise even more outperformed.
The sole difference is that the average Italian pilot is way more experienced and is able to counter massive performance disadvantages with skill. If you look at plane performance data there is not a single aircraft which dominates vs opponents at the same BR.
But they have a severe advantage vs German props using the same DB 600-605 series engines - u can tame their overheating with prop pitch adjustments (and can use infinite WEP without overheating) whilst you kill the same engine in a German plane with the same adjustments - and most of them can turn like hell compare to German counterparts; the 3.0 109s are imho the sole exception - and to a certain degree the Bv 155s if they have enough speed.
I used the Re 2001 CN too - the easiest way to fulfil Rank III daily tasks requiring a fighter at a very low BR - and i agree that you have to play it like other rat planes like A6Ms, I-16s or early Spits as you are way too slow.
You can say anything you want - but war thunders main strength is still that they are able to generate emotional reactions even from battle hardened long-term players. It doesn’t matter if those emotions are positive or negative.
7 years of playing… and I still feel the same emotions I felt years ago when my team was making me 1v5+. Goated game.
Gotta get that spicy new jet that can launch Fox-3’s while doing a handstand. I grinded there for points on coupons and the amount of people still keen on after-burning pre-merge without knowing their planes’ best rate speed. I mean I bought the 23-ML, and I sticked to custom matches until I was accustomed to the plane as a whole.
On to this topic, I’m weirded out how the Ki-84 ko, A7M2 and the N1K1-Ja share the same BR? Statshark says Japanese winrate across the board from BR4.0-5.7 is like 60% And these 3 planes have a WR of 60%!! Even zeroes had a WR of like 58%-60%.
These 3 doofuses of a plane are the hardest planes I’ve fought to claw myself a win. N1K1-Ja is easy to deal with, but the A7M and the Ki-84? Damn.
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Fully agree - the A7M2 and Ki-84 ko are imho one BR step too low and they are way easier to use than any 109 or 190.
Countering them is extremely problematic if they are flown by good pilots, you are literally forced to focus on them as primary target in order to have a chance - similar to going for Yak-3s as primary targets at lower BRs.
I sometimes enjoy flying the A7M2 to kill some Yak-3Us but playing it is no real challenge - your average teams are way too good. I sit on 80% WR without any efforts, the 20% losses are a result of rookie teams and i would estimate that in ~ 20% of my wins the enemy team was dead before i could fire a single shot…
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