even in head ons it can still loose to other cannon fighters cause there guns do more damage by a lot
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Gaijin did this way back in 1.29 update
German guns in general underperform because of nerf to Dora and that is connected to introduction then nerf then upgrade then nerf to Hispanos.
They did all that and at same time kept stealthily increasing damage of Russian guns…update by update.
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mg151 does very poor damage in 2025
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This is some garbage revision of history. What actually happened was simple. They introduced realshatter, and after its bugs got fixed, realshatter BUFFS damage from the previous damage algorithom… which is why currently shvaks and hispanos AREN’T garbage despite being garbage for 10+ years prior. This is ALSO why the MG151 is bad now because its one of the ONLY cannons that still use the old math which gives them poor damage in comparison.
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No, the p51 d10 has almost identical performace to the other premium the 4.0 p51 D20 but it gets like 30 more HP in wep iirc, its not really that better over it
Nice that we share the same pov in this issue.
Even as i have fun trying to make “bad” planes work - i never liked 109s and the overheating and armament nerf of 190s is further reducing their rather limited options to play them.
I mean i still refuse to use MnK which is mandatory in order to be able to perform head-ons and join the head-on community 😊
In the last weeks i met frequently all 4.0 - 5.7 BR 109s in the US P-47 D-28. With proper MEC settings, WEP management and awareness you are untouchable. You can turnfight with them (except F-4), out run all of them and can’t get energy trapped by them - and most of them run out of fuel after ~ 18 minutes.
I am aware of this, but the overwhelming majority of players are unable to do this. So if you are assigned to an US/GER team and face USSR/ JP at BR 5.0+ the average outcome is a clear defeat - even if the player skill/experience is somehow similar.
From a neutral perspective it is (on average) rather rare to see anything outside the 109 F-2, 335 B-2 or Ta 152 H-1 able to score 3+ kills - and these are mostly experienced pilots.
You are right. But A8 has great roll and is fairly smol. Most people will try to dodge. I’m not saying A8 is very good. But it can work with certain playstyles and ability to predict the dodging patterns :P
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Last time I checked it had a ton more power compared to 4.3 one, did it get nerfed?
And that is not how it works. By that logic clickbait should go down by BR. And have u seen anything to do with that the past 3 or 4 BR adjustments? No. Q5, do people get a lot done? No, but what BR is it now? The physical capabilities do have an impact, and if not for that, certain jets would just be repeatedly uptier’d, because they still have 4.0 k/D.
That is exactly how it works. I won’t humor otherwise.
Well clearly not, half of the past BR adjustments are just because people cried about them. Q5, J35XS, J7D (sort of for the sale but still), the fact that wyverns are doing well but not going up. The stats only works for a part of it, cause afterall, player skill is not measurable necessarily, players who played more or have more fighters will get better K/D however sometimes there are tech trees that just simply don’t have those, then stats go down, but that doesn’t mean the person is any worse of a player.
Not the case. Stick to facts and reality.
I don’t like your attitude but when you’re right you’re right, the yak3u and BI are the bane of my existence, at least with the yaks you can climb, the BI is just cancer. also if you think Germany is over tiered, play Italian props
I’m not saying Germany is overtiered.
But yeah, Re.2005 and G.56 and post flap nerf (you basically have no flaps unless you’re going like 280 IAS) G.55 Serie 1have 0 reason sitting as high as they currently do. Probably applies to other planes as well. C.205 S3 is not exactly stellar at 4.7
the fw190antons are over tiered imo, and the g55 is even more over tiered than the c205. I really hope we get a rebalance of mid tiers, it’s honestly so frustrating to see planes like the f4u4 and f8f1 have such low br.
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Regarding this point just something to think about:
If we have a common understanding that BR adjustments are mainly based on statistical performance data and other (unknown) parameters and consider that gaijin is as feedback resistant (except steam reviews) as your toaster it seems way more likely that they just hesitate to adjust (non-premium) aircraft BRs based on short term trends and trigger changes only after complains are confirmed by (from their pov) reliable statistical data.
Therefore iit is rather unlikely that player feedback (“crying”) plays a significant role. Otherwise we would have seen a BR increase of the 45mm Yak-9 last round.
As a sidenote from an interested observer of your recent exchanges with @AllNationEnjoyer :
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It looks like you try to discuss a topic with too much unknown variables. From my pov you both lack the necessary statistical data to support your views even as circumstantial evidence support most of them.
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Imho the more or less stable BRs of German props are also a result of the not implemented separate BRs for Air and Ground RB in the prop BR segment - best example is imho still the 410 B-6/R 3 at 5.0 which seems to perform very well in Ground RB but is imho far away from being remotely competitive in Air RB.
R3 no longer performs well. It used to pre-APCR nerf. Now it’s kinda pain.
Now if we received 30mm APHE for omegalul APCR/APHE belt, it would be worth 5.0, I mean kinda because Dornier at 4.3 is way superior in every metric, it has 1 30mm, but 2 serious bomb drops compensate.
BTW it’s insane hownmuch more Costly 4.3 Dornier is in 5.3 match compared to Fw 190 F8 because of 30mm 58 pen belt or 77 pen HVAP, even though you may be able to kill 2 tanks unless you’re very good and lucky, as that thong seems to barely do any damage and strafing people with cannons is a good way to get yourself killed.
Well assuming they are not affected by comments.
- The stats fluctuate as well, so that can not be how they adjust BR entirely, since things with horrible stats are raised in BR. If indeed they are getting stats which suggests certain planes are doing ‘too well’ they would have raised their BR, which they haven’t, so either they must see over a relatively prolonged period, which hasn’t happened since BR adjustments have not seem to come for most of these aircraft.
- Stats are not as ‘objective’ as they seem, certain planes like early BF109 I have 5.0 k/d with, but doesn’t mean it’s broken. Meanwhile bombers like Tu4 has near 0 good stats, and no BR adjustment came through. Partially because no one plays them and there is a lack of feed back.
Obviously rules bend to premiums like J7D and J35XS. But stats change as well due to change of maps and every BR change also alters other planes. I am not saying that stats do not play a role, but just that it isn’t the entire thing.
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I used to love german fighters, but lately, I feel that the german 20mms just don’t do consistant damage like any other 20mm for other nations.
A singular shvak does more damage than a 109 with gunpods.
Not to mention, that since the german guns have lower muzzle velocity, they are a lot harder to aim, because of the lead.
The minengeshoss used to be LETHAL, now, it feels like I’m shooting peas at my enemies.
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It looks like that we are (generally speaking) on the same page as i wrote :
The BR setting of bombers looks like a complete separate thing.
From my pov they use a mix of maximum (TNT) damage output combined with a rather low emphasis on actual results until they are reliably more than a trend. That’s why bomber BR reductions take ages despite they die like flies.
The only sharp BR increases of bombers in the last 3-4 years i can remember were the BR increase of the Ju 88 A-4 from 2.3 to 3.0 (based on getting introduced in the Swedish TT) and the B-18B from 3.0 to 4.0 in just 2 rounds…
Have a good one!