Doesn’t matter. It used to be same plane, lower BR. Similar thong happened to Japanese Bf 109 E7.
And Yak-3 placement is pure pay2win.
The plane is extremely good without that MG, Shvak does the job very quickly anyway.
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No it’s not.
Well, you’re.clueless or probably benefitting from pay2win yourself, so I’ll ignore your ramblings from now on. Feel free to leave the thread.
Shvak does a short work of planes anyway. 1 less MG is a slight loss of firepower, meanwhile Bf 109 F4 is worse in every way but rip speed and is considered a very good 4.0
Go figure.
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The only one rambling here is you. The only thing the Yak-3 does better than F-4 is turn speed.
Ahhh okay
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The Altitude that the speeds are listed at is different, the 200m extra Alt that the Hungarian G-2 is listed at is what gives it the extra listed speed. As you can see the Climb rate and turn rate are identical, which would not be the case if one or the other had more or less engine power or whatever you think would be giving it that extra speed. As other people have already mentioned, the Reason Eremin’s Yak-3 is lower in BR is because it has one less gun, its that simple. In your opinon you might not think that justifies the lower br, but it is objectively worse than the other one. The one less gun may very well be the deciding factor in someone playing the vehicle or not, even if it is at a lower BR.
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compare Bf 109 F4 against the F4 trop please
It’s also way faster at most combat altitudes because it doesn’t overheat (Bf 109 loses a lot of speed because of radiators) has better high speed maneuvrability, better armanent, oh and it probably even climbs better outside of supercharger gear switch alt. Oh and it retains energy better.
When I face Bf 109 F4 in Fw 190 F8 or D9 I think “easy kill”. When I see Yak-3 it’s always the same “oh nooo”.
It’s not objectively worse. It saves some weight for a slight performance edge. Also Typhon 1b premium is worse in every way but armanent than 1b late. Same BR. And I see no problem with it.
F4 Trop is noticeably slower than F4. There’s no reason for G2 Trop to not be slower than G2 and 200m at this alt should NO WAY change the topspeed by 14km/h which is a pretty big difference. If you knew how Bf 109’s supercharger worked, you’d quickly realise it’s unreasonable to expect that much of a speed boost.
I’ll happily test both at 1000m if I have the time to do so.
I should have been more specific, its objectively worse in an aspect that has bearing in game. Either way, it is still justifiable that it has a lower BR, even if you disagree with that justification.
I never disagreed with this.
And you are now onto conjecture, which seems to always be where complaints like this go, funny isn’t it. If you want to test it go ahead, you can include it in the bug report I’m sure you won’t be bothered to make about it, because it’s a lot easier to just whine. But please, go ahead and prove me wrong.
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No, it doesn’t justify lower BR.
By this logic F-4 trop should be 3.7 or even 3.3 because it has noticeably worse performance (most important metric) compared to F4 which isn’t even that good to begin with. Yak-3 with 1 less MG belongs at 4.7, same spot regular Yak-3 belongs. It still kills with short burts, the difference in firepower is negligible. Such differences don’t constitue going down in BR. What makes it lower BR is typical pay2win approach.
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Funny you have no idea how Bf 109 speed to alt chart looks like and that 200m can not change the speed by 14km/h at this altitude, unless some other factor is at work.
As usual, pay2win fanboy is grasping at straws.
If there was no difference, Gaijin would not create a separate stat card, that surprisingly follows the general trend of premiums being simply better at the same BR.
I won’t report this as a bug, because it’s not a bug clearly, it’s working as intended. That’s like bug reporting Su-11 when it sat at 7.0 - what do you expect to happen? “Sorry Loofah, our bad”? Pay2win policy, just like griefing and AF camping is strongly supported by this playerbase.
SAY WHAT-
In your opinon. That being the whole point, that you seem to be ignoring.
You have no idea what i do or do not know. Even if i didnt know it isnt like it is hard to quickly google things like this. What you are saying is conjecture, you are using nothing to back up your claims apart from “trust me bro” and “you dont know what you are talking about”. Provide some evidence about what it should be and if it is not in line with how it is in game, then bug report it. This is the process and always had been, premium or not. Nothing is safe from nerfs or buffs if you can find historical evidence that it should be changed.
This isnt a trend, youve just made that up… There are a few premiums that are better than tt counterparts at the same br, but many more that are simply the same.
What a surprise!
If any part of this game has/had p2w premiums it would be naval, but nobody cares about that so noone talks about it. Just whine more about russian bias and other nonsense.
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Clear indicator of pay2winner. Denial, lying, delusions, just to defend the statys quo you’re benefitting from (or maybe you’re just getting clapped by everyone so you see no difference).
Some.examples:
XP-50, XP-55, G2, J2M5 (the cannons got kinda nerfed eventually, so no longer the case), TIS MA, ITP (both beat any non-premium ground attackers by a mile), Su-11 vs Su-9 (both used to be 7.0), BI 6.3 (now 6.7, still ridiculiusly OP), AU-1 at 5.7, Wyvern at 4.0 (still super good at 4.3), P-51D10 with almost D30 performance at D5 BR, very fair, Yak-3 at 4.0 because it lost tiny fraction of its firepower, while Shvak can still kill anyone that’s not a bomber with 4 shells on average.
And that’s only planes around prop BRs and that’s only from my memory
Of course you’ll keep lying to me and yourself how 200m alt can magically change the Bf 109 speed by 14km/h (nope, speed charts are all over the net).
Youve named a fair few OP vehicles here, but not so many of them have direct TT counterparts that they are better than, most of these are just good in their own right.I could pull up examples of TT vehicles that are just better than their premium counterparts, like the AV-8C just being better than the AV-8A, the Harrier Gr.3 being years better than the Harrier Gr.1, basically all of the 5.7 Spitfires being better than the Premium Predergasts Fr mk14, but like i said, there are more that are simply the same, either copies or just as effective. If we are talking about OP premiums, yes there are plenty, but there are also plenty of OP tech tree vehicles, and vehicles that are unbalanced in general. There isnt really any trend, apart from maybe that vehicles are added at a lower br than they end up at, but i’ll let you work out why that might be.
All of them are better than TT vehicles of the same BR, often regardless od the TT.
And since I’m sure you didn’t spend 5s requires to find Bf 109 G2 performance chart, here’s one from WT forum:
The plane needs 6000m to go up from 560 to 680km/h but all of the sudden it’s supposed to get faster by 14km/h over 200m. See the problem?
Apart from the ones i specified, and all of the rest that dont follow this “trend”.
Dont worry, I never needed to, I’ve always seen your point, but like I said, it is based on conjecture. Maybe, just maybe, there is something that you don’t understand, that explains it. This is why creating a bug report would help, because even if it isnt a bug, you might get an explaination as to why that is the case.
How is it different from the techtree Mk XIV?
Well, it’s not.
This is the type of copy-paste premium. Same goes for premium A8, premium Ki-61b, premium Dora, etc. etc. etc.
There’s plenty of copy-paste premiums.
And they are OK.
But there’s also plenty of pay2win premiums. Even israeli premium Spitfire Mk IX is pay2win since it has vastly improved ground attack ability compared to other Lf MK IX Spitfires. It’s a small pay2win, but pay2win nonetheless.
Meteor Reaper - a lot better ground attack capability compared to same BR techtree planes. So pay2win. In ground RB, but pay2win anyway. You can’t really replace it with something else.
Be-6 - absolute nightmare to fight for anyone, of course premium.
Best 5.3 for a long time (might be 5.7 now, and is still super good after ammo nerf and going up in BR) - P59A - premium.
And see a trend? Eventually some premiums go up in BR. But they terrorize the game for years before this happens.
Of course there is. Same reason why prem Yak-3 is 4.0 - pay2win.
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