It’s clear that Gaijin has forgotten about what they used to be played with by the efficiency of the Italian CL-13 of some players
gaijin, gaijin never changes
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Is there a way to check the current situation of the su-22m3 (USSR squadron jet) ?
Because currently the BR (10.7) that it stands at is quite bad,
Whether that maybe for doing CAS roles or ARB battles.
Like, for CAS roles, it gets Kh-29 and Kh-25, they are yes good AGMs, but it still needs good optics to use them, the current optics on the su-22m3 is misplaced, and has no zoom levels, making the only way to use them, is up and close, making it quite vulnerable to enemy fire.
So, as a long time user of it, I just use unguided bombs and rockets for CAS, and that makes it no better than 10.0 or 9.7 CAS planes.
As for ARB, most of the times you play, the plane is way slower than most planes in its BR (unless we talk about su-25 and A-10), has bad maneuverability compared to them as well as bad weaponry,
R-60 at 10.7 is as good as not being there (I replace my 4 R60 for gun pods, they are more reliable), any flare on the battle, whether near the fired upon plane or not, immediately makes the missile go for it, if you fire at anything more than 1.2km away, and you need to fire upon unsuspecting targets, the missile won’t reach, let’s not talk about the majority of battles which it gets as up-tiers, making it face all-aspect and radar missiles, and sometimes AIM-9M and Magic 2s (with only 12 flares fired in 2s or 4s).
Then, let’s talk about its main role, ground pounding in ARB, since it stands at 10.7, most of the time you get F-4S and its variants, Tornado and its variants, and more, each plane is faster than the SU-22M3 and sometimes with enough bomb load for 2 or 3 bases, making you just either leave at start of the battle, or go for head-ons against enemies.
What would I expect that makes the plane better again, or have 10.7 as a justified br.
the plane having its BR adjusted to 10.0, since its effective upgrade over SU-7 is CCRP and CCIP and more carrying capacity.
Or having better optics (for GRB) and R-60M for Air battles (at least in place of the pylons designated for carrying 1 R60 each).
So many people complained how it didn’t have APCR, unlike the Jumbo 76 and M4A3 (76), that Gaijin obliged and gave it M93 even though it’s basically meaningless.
But that doesn’t matter. As the older BR changes showed, the T20 is going to 6.3, whether that is with APCR or without it.
everyone should just make an effort to do really bad with 7.7, or now 8.0 France so they lower them
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So the 29g goes up despite having a near useless rwr, basically zero countermeasures for the br, and zero ground attack options and zero room for improvement via better armament because the r73 which is lackluster as hell? R73 doesn’t warrant a .7 br jump from the 9.12A, .3 I can agree with.
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In fairness, the AMX-30 also has no armor, no stab, no LRF, or those rounds and does fine at 8.0.
However it at least gets better mobility, a good HEAT (not heat-fs) round, coincidence range-finder and a co-ax 20mm. I do agree that the AMX 50 and Char 25t still don’t deserve 8.0.
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i hope thats a joke, the Mig 29G has the worst countermeasures out of all 12.3 and 12.7 aircraft, those are the same number of countermeasures as the standard Mig 29 has.
If its like that then the russian Mig 29SMT should be increased to 13.0 at one point because of R-73, even more countermeasures and the A2G armament
Literaly every other 12.7 aircraft is a multirole fighter, while the Mig 29G is only an A2A fighter, there is a giant disrepancy between all other 12.7 aircraft and the Mig 29G
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the AMX-50 (TO90/930) is slower, less-ish armored, and has no HEAT of any kind there’s no reason for it to be the same br
Large Caliber Flares/Chaffs are reallumy useful in comparaison to the M2kC light flares,
even if we do have more on M2kC, you have to punch 10-20 for each missiles in order to have same effect than a Large one.
Unless Gaijin adds a Technological level of Flares in this game, it is only the size that makes the current ability to Decoy a missile.
I just don’t think Gaijin get how game disruptive these BR changes are. It can be hard to make a line up especially in some nations. Sometimes we spend to get premiums just to make a full line up and Gaijin just wave the pen and ruin it all.
I would be interested just to know how many people hate these constant BR shifts
Along with constant map changes this does nothing for the fanbase enjoyment. It’s a crime to have success with and enjoy a particular vehicle it seems. Have some fun in a vehicle ,get a few kills and watch Gaijin jack its BR up.
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Since Starstreak,missile of Roland,radar of ASRAD are still not fixed.
2S6 to 11.0
Strela-10 to 10.3
US chaparral Add MIM-72G to 10.3
Israel chaparral remove thermal to 10.0
SANTAL to 9.7
SIDAM/MISTRAL to 9.3
OTOMATIC remove APFSDS to 10.3
REMOVE STARSTREAK IF YOU CAN’T FIX IT
AGS add M833 to 10.7 or add M900 to 10.0
SU-7BMK need more loadout
A-4N to 9.7
Mekava to 9.3 or add DM63
SU-17M4 to 10.7
2S38 to 10.3
T80U remove thermal to 11.0
T90S to 10.7
T72B1989 to 10.3
Jaguar GR1A add 4GBU loadout
906 to 8.3
M47/105 to 8.0
M60A3TTS(US/CN) add M833
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Why is the 2S38 not going up? I doubt you took 1000+ comment feedback and you do so little of a change like this…
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T80U remove thermal to 11.0
why?
Which one? There are none to add if you can’t prove it.
You make no sense, did i compare the MIG 29G to other 12.3-12.7 aircraft or did i compare it to the M2kC that is at rank 11.7-12.0 ?
Yes, but everyone treats the T20 as 10x better than Panther, and the truth is that the T20 is a slightly better Sherman with a better transmission and a smaller silhouette, and it has practically no armor.
I wouldn’t say that this tank is particularly mobile, first of all, it has reverse speed and that is its advantage. Snail could finally start thinking and give normal br for American tanks, MAX 6.0 for T20 and 6.3 for M26.
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Same shit,… M2k-5F currently have same Flares than M2kC, and the M2k-5F is currently 12.3/12.7soon
I used the M2kC but the 3 M2k shares same Flares/Chaffs quality and only are increasing in number.
A6M5 Ko at 5.3 not reversed? No sense at all. Slower than anything it faces, and only wins matches because people for some reason don’t know that they cannot win a turnfight against it. The plane is so extremely onedimensional that it gets punished because people don’t know how to not die against it. Hint, fly straight. And watch it disappear in the horizon behind you.
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Except the mirage 5f gets double the countermeasures of the 29g. Also didn’t they remove the high caliber countermeasures from the 29 back in april?
What kind of insane do you guys have to be to stick the AGS at 11.0 with M833, and then LEAVE the 2S25M at 10.0, and buff it to 3BM60 and 9M119M1 ATGM???
The AGS is going to be the same BR as the IPM1 with M900, and 1.0 BR higher than the M1128 with M900.
Also, super classy to sneak a massive buff to the firepower of the 2S25M without any change to its BR gaijin. Very in character.
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