what military vehicles? a couple trucks that probably got destroyed by US forces anyways?
Yes you are. You are trying to tell me that everything i learnt in school about WW2 and what I have learnt since I left school in 1986, is all lies and you are the only one who is correct. You are telling me that everything I was told by my grandparents, who actually fought in the war, winning lots of medals for their courage and bravery were also lying to me. Another example of ignorance and self importance. The US history books are right and the rest of the worlds history books are wrong according to you.
You are trying to educate me from AMERICAN history books which i will not listen to. There are NO US history books in English schools about WW2, because the facts can not be trusted.
or maybe because it is a book focused on US history, wouldnt make much sense in the UK would it?
No.
the 7.5 billiion repayment was for a loan of 3.75 billion after the war
not the repayment of Lend-Lease which you’re conflating
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Back On topic:
They clearly just used the flags we see on flag poles at the memorial event for the Battle of Britain…
Like seen in 2024:
The pictures in question
Nothing fancy as yapping about who was the most critical or whose effort was worthless to mention.
The event itself clearly just uses the flags from nations that are present at the event and just general current or past allies.
Edit: the real question becomes:
Where is the Netherlands?
They are always present for the memorial flight and often send some of their own aircraft over the channel.
Jk. Jk.
Comments like this:
and this:
…just display your weaknesses in communication in general and a severe lack of actual knowledge.
Why?
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I showed in my first post why 100 octane fuel provided by the US was decisive in the air war. Even admitting that the LW was poorly led and lost the fight mainly due to the switch of targets (from RAF airfields to London) the fighting power of RAF FC would have been depleted (or at least way less effective) without the support of foreign pilots and supplies.
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Without fuel and raw material provided by the US there would have been less capable fighters and fewer numbers of them. You can’t beat numbers. Even if it costs time: Try to research about the supplies upfront and during the BoB and you might acknowledge this.
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Trying to create a narrative that the US delivered major supplies to Nazi Germany is ridiculous. Read about trade of oil and you find out that you are telling fairy tales. The fact that GM bought Opel during the recession and was producing trucks (in Germany) is not anywhere near of an active support. Same with your Fanta story, totally irrelevant.
And a short reminder:
- I always read about “helping” - the UK declared war on Germany and not the other way around. Their BEF was clapped by inferior hardware on the ground and by superior hardware in the air.
As far as i see the points you made in various posts:
- The only thing you are right is the actually extremely poor level of public education in the US.
- All other things are narratives combined with some true facts but not mentioning underlying goals and targets.
Regarding the rest of your wild claims:
You might consider to read books which contain more texts than illustrations or pictures - primarily about geo-strategic and economic implications of certain developments within the world and especially in Central Europe.
WW 2 was a war about global resources (oil) and strategic dominance - a geo-strategical game of 3d chess and the sole winner was the US.
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The former global (navy) power UK went bankrupt thanks to lend-lease & lost their Empire - and the majority of the Europe and the European part of the USSR was devastated by the war.
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The USN replaced the RN as most relevant naval power - and the USAAF showed their dominance by nuking Japan with the ultimate weapon nobody else possessed - whilst their country was untouchable for hostile forces.
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In addition the US managed to take out their sole competitor in the Pacific the IJN. This war was also no accident, in order to kill their uprising the oil embargo gave them just 2 choices:
Die slowly due to a lack of oil - or try to take out the USN Pacific fleet in order to negotiate a co-existence; whilst taking the risk of total annihilation but way sooner.
Why should i waste my time to debunk all of your stuff?
Everybody is free to do his own research - but if you post in a public forum stuff like in this thread you will receive feedback, if you like it or not.
I have zero clue why you think that i am an US citizen - but it shows that your habit to draw the wrong conclusions is your main weakness.
And btw: You are actually contradicting yourself. On one hand you claim that history books can’t be trusted (“because the facts can not be trusted”) but you assume that the books you are referring to can be trusted.
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I tried to stay neutral on this, but after reading through it again I feel like I need to address some deep levels of misinformation here.
US trade with Germany fell precipitously during the 1930’s, initially due to the Great Depression and then latterly due to Hitler’s autarky and bullish attitude to dealing with the US. This only worsened as war loomed, with a 25% tarrif being applied after the annexation of Czechoslovakia and came to effectively a complete stop during the British blockade of Germany. Or did you forget the RN had a complete strangehold on any ships heading for Germany?
Here’s a decent, well sourced summary for this and the next two questions.
No they weren’t. As above, they certainly weren’t exporting to Germany as there was no way through the blockade. They did have local branches in Germany, with their roots going back to the Weimar Republic or even further. However, the increasing squeezing that the Nazis were applying to foreign owned businesses meant that by 1939, these were effectively German run subsidiaries of their parent companies. Their local executives were all Germans, as mandated by German law at the time, and they more or less ran automonously from their American masters after the war started.
You could blame them for continuing their investments in Germany up until the start of war, but I would remind you that it’s not like they could have seen the war coming. Most of them simply viewed Nazism and their restrictions and control over the economy as a passing fad, not an existential threat to Europe. At worst, we can call them too blinded by greed.
Henry Ford may have been a Nazi sympathizer (And that’s putting it lightly), but his company provided no military aid to Germany and yet heavily supplied the US (And the allies through lend lease).
This is not where Fanta comes from. Like with Ford, GM and other American companies, Coca Cola Deutschland was more or less independant from the main Coca Cola corporation in the states by the time the war started. When import of coke syrup was interrupted by the RN blockade, they independently came up with Fanta out of available materials in Germany, which they sold locally. The main Coca Cola company only got their hands on Fanta after the war, when they repossessed their technically owned materials (As well as the profits) in the newly conquered Germany.
For the prior two examples, I’d love to see how American companies managed to profit from local German sales when they were unable to import anything to Germany nor export any profits back to America.
No they didn’t, they had a complete embargo of Germany following their declaration of war in 1941. Germany declared war hours after Pearl Harbor, how did you think that Germany and America were still trading at this point?
No they aren’t, and I’d love to see your claim that they are. The few who do claim it on the most technical level, that the US won it’s battles and suffered less casualties before voluntarily withdrawing. Anyone sensible looks at the fact that they failed in their stated objective and rightly concludes that they lost.
The irony in this statement is astonishing, especially given the following paragraphs.
Quora is a repository of all human ignorance, often featuring questions asked by literal children. Using it as an example of the average American is comical.
This is not uncommon, most nations aren’t super happy with their citizens wandering off to fight in other people’s wars, causing international incidences and sabotaging supposed neutrality. The Irish famously had this restriction too, and actively denied pensions to any Irish citizen who went overseas to fight for the Allies until recently, only being officially pardoned in 2013.
Russia only declared war on Japan in 1945, 2 days after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and 1 day before Nagasaki. This is pretty basic knowledge.
The US had it’s hands tied politically due to things like the Neutrality Act, which put a severe restriction on what they could do with warring states, including being able to sell weapons of war.
Despite this, from the outbreak of war Roosevelt offered comparably generous rates to the Allies, including nonsensical condition like “loaning” ammunition to be returned later (With a penalty for failure to return that just happened to match the price of said ammuntion, to be paid at an indeterminate future date).
Given how divided America’s political system was at the time, it was a miracle that the Allies recieved as much as they did before the war, and for comparatively little.
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ah ok.
still an exaggeration to say making the UK pay off their loans over 60+ years makes them some sort of cash cow for the US
Well written. Great job!
Might be time to wrap this thread up lol
Definitely not how I’d put it
This thread is pretty weird as is so I won’t go down that political rabbit hole
but just one more thing
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I think he was referring to the Soviet-Japanese Border Conflicts, but those were concluded prior to Pearl Harbor. I don’t agree that this made much of an impact on the war in the Pacific though. Japan had no chance against the U.S. The atom bomb was coming.
The shown flag is from 1980. Not from the BOB.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
This topic has been closed due to becoming political which is against the guidelines and massively off topic
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