Howdy folks! John war here. As an F-4S enjoyer, I have to point out a painfully obvious issue I commonly encounter while playing this jet. People base bombing in fighters, commonly premiums.
I’ve noticed the majority of people who do this are MiG-23 or MiG-29, and Mirage F1C players. And I must ask, why do people do this? These jets get amazing missile kits, and yet I see them commonly loaded with napalm bombs just to get shot down by a more skilled player. While base bombing is slightly more efficient, I don’t understand why one would prefer to bomb a base, die, and overall have a more bland grind. The average person who uses this playstyle also barely learns how to play high tier jets, only knowing how to bomb and run back to base. This overall ends in less intelligent teams.
“But John! Aren’t you doing the same thing?” Keep in mind, the official designation of the F-4S (and any F-4 for that matter) is a Fighter-BOMBER. Leaning towards the bomber part of that designation more.
Personally, I believe a way to solve this issue would be to remove the napalm bombs from these jets which ultimately causes this issue to arise.
Call me angry, say I’m coping if you want “what, you don’t want players to grind efficiently?” Well yes, if it means said players will learn how to play the game. Personally, I would rather want a learning experience from my premium jet than an un-engaging, boring yet faster grind.
Thank you for taking the time to read this post, and happy grinding!
see that 4 kill? that 4 kill on its own give me 5201rp
now look at base, i destroyed 2 base, and the game give me 7219rp
2 base giving me much more rp than 4 kill, ~38% more so not just slightly more, so what reason to not base bomb? most player buy high tier premium just to grind the tech tree as fast as possible, not to enjoy playing that plane
I myself wanted to learn a top tier jet gameplay AND grind the events more efficiently. I bought Kfir Kanard on sales. This jet is basically unplayable as fighter. So its either i use it as bomber to grind the Israel, or i just dont play it. But even as a bomber its bad.
Mig-23ML makes sense cause the Napalm replaces R-60Ms.
Mirage F1C bombs replace nothing of value.
So not bringing bombs for those aircraft is leaving score on the table.
Can you play the F1C and 23ML without bombs? Definitely. You can be a slightly better PVP player by doing so.
But you’ll have less score in a vehicle class that’s trying to get the most amount of rewards per match.
They’re also easier and don’t require you to maneuver at low altitude/alert the enemy of your presence. Why should attackers be forced to scre themselves over even more by going for worse targets?
I can get more rewards from bombing 2 based than killing 20 ground targets, it’s ridiculous.
Anyone doing that should unironically be banned from playing air rb or sim.
Alvis, Alvis… would you stop rationalising strike aircraft hatred of this game?
I know you are not doing this with malece, but
You probably know, destroying the base is easier, and usually gives a bigger reward
and a lesser threat to face if we consider that ground targets are scattered all over the place
Of course, destroying ground targets gives a bigger score and ticket decrease than the base
But the score only affects when you grind the event
And tickets usually affect nothing since nearly every match ends up with annihilation
not always, but the majority of cases.
So, your suggestion about
‘destroy ground targets instead of base’ acts like
‘Let them eat cake’ - Marie Antoinette (not)
The type designation in WT is completely arbitrary, way to rough and often outright wrong (e.g. Milan classed as fighter and such stuff…).
Even though those aircraft people complain about may have their main role as fighter, they can be used as fighter-bombers in real life and are also used in any role where they have the necessary capabilities. Air Forces tend to make as much use of as little resources as the possibly can, after all.
If anyone feels there’s too few targets for attackers in AB/RB, or too much competition for those, do try out sim where that simply is not the case and such aircraft can play much better to their strength.
that entirely depends on your survival, base rushing and dying will get significantly less RP than destroying a few pillboxes and surviving for most of the game, if I’m going to play attackers I will usually go for ground targets the 1st run, then rearm for 2nd spawn bases once the rushers are thinned out, because the most profitable way to get RP is to do anything and not die.
@Stockholm_Blend
Here I go defending strike aircraft again.
How is me criticizing strike aircraft haters relevant to anything?
And no, howitzer thunderer gives far more rewards than bases; you have to remember I’ve been doing this since 2019.
I quite literally advertised to people Q-5A’s thunderer ease which later caused that to become 10.0, which it’s still easy to get thunderer with.
Q-5A is horrible at bombing bases, but was getting so much more rewards than 9.3 base bombers just by getting thunderer against howitzers, not even light pillboxes.
I have over 1000 hours bombing bases and taking out soft targets.
@Dodo_Dud
My Q-5A, F-111A, Tornado, etc would easily disagree with you.
@hjnbnb
Well, it’s within your right to choose less RP.
476%. 7000 / 7.5 = 933 / 4.76 = 196 base RP per minute with one air to air frag. 160 base RP per minute with another match without an air frag.
452%. One of the best base bombers in the game: Harrier GR3. 23 minutes for ~11,450RP.
491 / 4.52 = 108 base RP per minute in sim. I can get a air RB one for you in a bit.
Because they want to grind the tree faster while don’t want to learn many things
If you rationalise yourself with the designation of F-4 while blaming MiG-23/29 and F1C players could end up with lesser reliability of your take
Because F-4S also has quite a decent loadout of missiles.
If you bring bombs on your F-4S, while you blame other fighters who brought bombs
This reaaally sound like double standarding.
Especially when MiG-23 heavily relies on napalm to exploit the base.
I mean, base bombing premium fighters are problem, but this sounds like a bit more of ladder kicking than balancing.
Probably, this would be the easiest way to solve this problem
But probably cannot fully rid of problems.
Because base bombing fighters will find other ways.
They tried to bomb in an F-5C when it was shamelessly overpowered and was meta either.
There was a guy who even bombed the base with J-7D, although it did not have enough bombs to take a single base down.
