Balancing .... (russian BR 8.7)

of course you don’t want to see these tanks nerfed…

You play Russia with these vehicles…

But we’re not talking about patriotism or personal pleasure in playing super-powerful vehicles to crush others easily, we’re talking about balancing, which for these 2 vehicles is obviously not correct. Everyone knows it and it would be good if Gaijin did something…

AM-1’s hull armor is useless against common 8.7 shells and it’s mobility is nothing more than average for it’s BR as well. I don’t understand what’s so special about AM-1 that it makes it “too strong”.

There’s no reason to put AM-1 at the same BR as A1A1.
It lacks in overall mobility, gun handling, gun depression, while also having worse reload speed and shell. AM-1’s only advantage is LRF and armor that is useful only in some edge case situations.
In my opinion, more than enough to warrant single BR step of difference.

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You are kidding me because it only players skill matter. I don’t see entire team Soviet tanks or Chinese tanks win the battle. It depend the player skill and mean real player not noobs who bought they account to play top tier for some nations.

279s are op but doesn’t matter to me because I got better shells so I can shit all over their soviet scrap metal

Bro they need to remove the ability for random users to flag posts

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BS, at br 10 russia quite sucks compared to germany or usa

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Ah, yes, the T-72 TURMS, 2s38, BMP2m, T-72B, T-72B 1989, 2s25m, backed up by several good 9.7s pales in comparison to a Stryker and a Bradley.

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and you have those leopards that are faster with better guns, that can rush the map and destoy you in spawn point, unless you are paired with USA at this br soviets teams most of the times loses. The turms is quite worse than tose M1 and Le2 premiums.

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That’s because a lot of Soviet players there just bought their way to high tier and have no idea how to use their vehicles, US and GER 10.0 is horrendous compared to Soviet 10.0

GER players have access to the Leopard 2k, which is fast, but has a worse gun than the 125mm with a worse round and has light tank armor, the PUMA, which exists to look cool, and that’s about it, the Radwagon, which is inferior to the 2s25 tanks and the 2s38, not sure why you’re choosing 10.0 as that’s where Russian vehicles are insanely dominant on paper, but aren’t in game because of 1 death premium spammers, has nothing to do with the tanks being weak, it’s the experience level of the playerbase.

You see this effect al low tier with GER which is why their famous mid-late ww2 tanks are always 0.3-0.7 below where they should be.

bs you see german+usa team at br10 is auto lose, if you dont play sovients you dont know

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I do, I have all 3 of the most aggregious Russian vehicles at the BR, in capable hands they do well, if you’re having trouble against these opponents, then I’d reccomend you play those trees, just like I reccomended with the initial poster.

hence no one plays US/Ger 10.0 and plays 10.3+ to farm TURMS which can barely compete with 2A4/M1, even UK dunks hard with Vick7/CR1Mk.3/Lynx

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One of my favourite things to do is take out the Ariete(P) and just make Turms players day terrible because they think their armour work for the most part but DM33 at 10.0 doesnt care

I do as well (but now typically with Sweden), but that’s not an issue with Russia having weak equipment for the BR, which is what the other dude was arguing.

Sweden could also be brought up here as a pretty strong nation at 10.x, but usually 1 nation mains just tunnel vision on the majors.

Whether you guys will admit it or not, the 279 is good for the ecosystem. It happily swats noobs who think they can drive around in premium IFVs drooling about ‘No ArMoR iS BeSt ArMoR’ with their darts and thermals. The 279 sends a APHE their way and they go pop. We in the 279 are doing the community a service. People out there thinking they know what meta is in this game. 279 reminding them they’re not all that.

In all seriousness, you have to account for the experience of those driving the 279 vs those facing it. Unlike what many want to believe - I didn’t pay a cent for the 279. I built it in an event. Like many other 279’s you’re facing. I often have to school those facing me where to hit the 279, because I will be sitting there with no gun, no tracks… some guy unloading shell after shell into me… I just end up going ‘dude… hit me in upper-front plate’, and then they actually get the job done. It’s easy for you to sit there thinking the 279 is god mode, but when you use it, you know there are a variety of weakspots that you have to try minimise. There are plenty of vehicles that can 1-shot the 279 at 8.7 (PTZ-89, for example). Sometimes the answer is as easy as… aiming.

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The biggest problem is that, while you have to find the weaknesses of these vehicles, they don’t have to find yours. Nothing stops the rounds from either of those tanks and the huge engine upgrades on the 55am-1 and 279 mean they are just as fast as their competition. They aren’t invincible, but they are nearly strictly better than almost every other vehicle you can bring at that BR.

Ah yes, the ‘i’m driving an overpowerd vehicle and i think its healthy because I’M driving it’ argument. No one cares that you grinded it, its still OP.

The 279 is strictly better than the Chieftan MK5. Weapon, armor, speed, all better by a singnificant margin. Both sit at 8.7, justify that.

‘no armor best armor’ is literally the design philosophy of the 1960 to 1980. It doesn’t matter that you don’t like it, its what every nation found was most effective. You are sitting at the BR that comprises most of that range.

While the UFP is the weakness, a lot of tanks still have a large chance of bouncing even there. Look at all of the brit solid shot vs the 279. The 460 pen Conqueror has almost no location to pen the 279. many of the early APFSDS rounds will bounce on almost the entire area. And any angling will fuzz the penetratable zone to exclude much of the OHK locations of the tank.

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Yeah I agree with you. But while Gaijin increases the B.R of T-69-2-G, it does not touch the B.R of T55AM1 at all. I’m really tired of this situation. Why do Russian tanks have to be untouchable?

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Chieftain is fine. Don’t go doing the classic British whine on me. And i don’t care what the design philosophy was, I’m talking about punishing people with the APHE (edit: and if you couldn’t tell, it was a joke, that’s why i started the second paragraph with ‘in all seriousness’). Ah, why bother? Britain always suffers, right? My second most played vehicle is the Falcon, I do play Britain, and it really annoys me how whiny British mains get, especially about APDS. But thankfully, Britain 10.3 is so good that even the biggest tea bag stops whining there. Also, sending 279 up to 9.0 will reunite it with BMD4/BMP3. Be careful what you wish for.

I can’t stop fighting T-55AM-1s and (Object 279 ).
T-55AM-1 could go up to 9.0 easily but object 279 not at the moment object 279 should never face 10.0 tanks object 279 used mostly in events and it’s so so rare to see them in battles when their is no events like the IS-7 and E-100 also object 279 is event limited tank can’t be obtained and the only way is by using the market for 600$+ price.
most tanks at 8.0+ have heat and HESH rounds which is more than enough to kill object 279 from the front hull armor also object 279 armor was made to stop ADPS rounds in that time line not APDSFS rounds but still face dm23 and dm33+.
i play all nations but when i use object 279 and face enemy the issue is the enemy team they don’t how to kill it because half of time they are p2w new players with Turm III and also object 279 is rare that’s why it’s hard to remember weak spots same thing for IS-7 and E-100 and most people who own these tank are very high skilled players and veterans.
object 279 already face 9.7 tanks which have Dm33+ and ATGM and heat rounds which can pen it easily.
again players don’t take sometime to go protection analysis and see the weak spots.