BAe Sea Harrier - Technical data and discussion

Dropping this here as to not take the Harrier II topic too far offtopic.

Would like the option to have the Sea Eagle on the SHar.

2x Sea Eagle & 4x AIM-9L. (No Gunpods due to weight though)

Could retain gunpods if only 2x Sea Eagle fitted.

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The FA.2 has a TWS air to sea mode, which could possibly be used with Sea Eagle. Don’t know if you could multi launch as a result but maybe?

Possibly, we’d have to start asking those in the know if it could.

I’d like to think the limiting factor would be the Sea Eagle, if you could ‘Talk’ to multiple of them simultaneously.

Adding another couple.

FRS.1 with 2x AIM-9 & 2x Sea Eagle, No GunPods

Interestingly,

FA.2, can only see one side, so can only assume its mirrored on the other pylons?
AIM-9 on outer, Sea Eagle on inner, AMRAAM on centre RH.

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Was just having a look at the Sea Harrier FRS1 and is it me, or is the twin bombs very very close to those 9Ls. Surely they’d “clip” if either were fired like that?

Screenshot 2023-07-21 013913

It looks like the twin bomb carrier is offset to the left of where it should be (without looking into it I assume it should be centred on the pylon).

It was reported but considered not a bug, given the twin store has three mounting points, if it was moved the centre point it would be fine.

I have achieved.

420 Victories, 1337 air kills.

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I might hope gajin add Sea Harrier FA.2 with IR AAM AIM-9L/ AIM-9M sidewinder & ARH BVRAAM AIM-120A/AIM-120B AMRAAM this year

God damn.

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Very nice, I’m looking forward to taking the FRS1 out into SB once its radar gets fixed. Does look like its quite a decent jet.

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I have transcended my human form.

I am sea harrier now.

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Book recommendation for those interested regarding the FRS.1

I’m just getting towards the end of “Hostile Skies, The Battle for The Falklands” by David Morgan.

Great read about the war, the quirks of the SHAR and it’s weaponry…including the quirkyness of the 9L.

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I’ll check that out at some point. Sea Harrier over the Falklands by Commander Sharkey Ward is also an excellent read.

Lots of interesting information about the Sea Harrier, but also how differently the team on HMS Invincible approached the war compared to the team on HMS Hermes (leasing to one of them loving the Sea Harrier, while the other thought it was terrible).

That’s definitely going on my list. Will pick up a copy when I can.

Interestingly in the one im reading, which I wasn’t aware of…

…towards the mid/end of the Falklands war, Harrier GR.3s were fitting with radar jammers, nicknamed ‘Blue Eric’ which jammed the I band spectrum, that most Argentine radar systems were believed to use.
The jammer sat mounted to the read of one of the gun pods.

I don’t know if we have a Gen 1 harrier thread, but would a jammer be useful in game?

An excerpt about the 9L that made me chuckle.

“Years later I was on a training flight from Yeovilton, around the Welsh valleys and back to base. I was carrying a brand new AIM9-L training head on an inert missile and was letting it gently search in a circular pattern as I flew along at low level, admiring the late-summer evening. As I flew across the Bristol Channel the missile began to growl every time it passed the lowest part of its scan. Out of curiosity I pressed the lock button and the head immediately locked to a target in the haze ahead and started to chirp urgently, indicating that it had a valid launch solution. As I approached Newport I realised that the lock diamond was sitting solidly over a railway wagon, and as I overflew it I saw that it was full of newly rolled plates from the steel works. This was impressive enough but a few miles on the seeker locked onto a plume of smoke from someone’s bonfire in a back garden. The most amazing lock came thirty minutes later as I ran across Exmoor at 250 feet. The missile locked to a patch of ground about a mile ahead of me and held until I flew right overhead. I was unable to see what had attracted the lock until I was right on top of the target. As I flashed over it, I realised that the missile had picked up a pile of manure. Quite a weapon that could lock onto a steaming dung heap!”

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Ive just picked up a copy of Sharkey Ward’s book.

I also spotted this advertised, but cant find a copy anywhere.

Anyone read it?

Its more than a TWS mode…
It is similar to mirage 2000-5’s RDY radar with LPRF, MPRF, and HPRF automatically scheduled in, which means that it can maintain track if target is detected in anyone of those mode…
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=4653881
Obviously, currently in game Mirage 2000-5 doesn’t have that.
If it is modelled correctly, then it is almost un-notchable unless at extremely low altitude with a bunch of chaff.

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After having to fight Mig-29s with R-27ERs, I’d quite happily take a radar that cannot be notched no matter what.

sounds like another placeholder.

I’d almost put money on the FA2 having the Foxhunter radar from the F3 (at launch). Also wouldnt surprise me if it had the cockpit from the Gr3 like the FRS1 or from the Gr7.