BAe Harrier II (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion

Must have misread/fell for something, but why so much into Tempest though? The British military needs some of those funds elsewhere, even if there is a bit of delay on the Tempest, it will mean that the UK won’t cease to exist

Such as?

AJAX integration, more F35s, properly upgrading of Typhoon, getting air tankers, getting an actual AWACS, giving Challenger 3 more parts for maintenance when they run out in a decade or two. Paying the excessive amount of people in most branches, paying people properly, overhaul of the procurement system, and that is only the stuff I can think of or know of.

Is happening?

No? Why buy Fail-35s when we can invest in Tempest?

How are we not? ECRS Mk2, Possibly AMK, Spear-3/EW/Glide, METEOR-MR. etc etc

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Eh… Not sure if we really need those tbh, but dont we have some?

Perhaps, but the project looks to be coming along very well. Was expecting at least one major issue that would delay it 10 years. Not happened yet.

Never gunna happen :D

So I still dont really see what cutting Tempest funding would really acheive, other than piss the Japanese off.

What I’m saying is that some funding is taken away and diverted and have a slightly longer dev time, 2040 is still very far and Britain, even Japan might not even exist anymore at that point but no point arguing as there is an easy supply of funds waiting in pointless people like the Old Guard or all the admirals that don’t even have ships

was there ever a suggestion made for the typhoon missiles for the harrier?

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What are those? When I do a quick google search I get the American Typhon (the misspelled version of Typhoon’s actual name) that launches SM-6

A proposed air to ground version of ASRAAM. Lost out to Brimstone in the end.

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Oh yes. Typhoon, now I remember. Thanks man

Air to ground IRIS-T: our battle will be legendary

ASRAAM but yes. ASRAAM vs ASRAAM. The Germans have their IRIS-T vs IRIS-T with a different suggestion

Hm? Im talking Norways Air to ground IRIS-T missile

Ohh, sorry. Thought you were talking about one of Germany’s many programes that they cancelled because “No more Soviet Union” and the Global War of Terror

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This specifc F16 which was also used in a few other things was what i was talking about I know Germany has a few guided missiles programs

It was also doing JSM tests with an F35 iirc

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Now this is funny. The NASA TM they referenced was used incorrectly by gaijin. The CL chart plot provided in that technical report was standardized between 0 and 1 for use in NASA’s flight simulation model, it also excludes any data regarding the engine.

War Thunders (Gaijin) harrier has a coefficient of lift of just less than 1 as they used the standardized plot found in this TM. However the 1 actually represents a Coefficient of lift of 1.46, this value is found in the source. Gaijin appeared to have skipped the entire document and just inputted polynomial math model data and not the actual aerodynamic model data.

Seen below Cl data 1.465 being the upper most seen on the wind tunnel model.
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seen below based on normalized values, all values will lie between an interval of 0 to 1. Gaijin used this math model interval between 0 and 1 to model the harriers coefficient of lift and not the actual 1.46 seen on the wind tunnel model.
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Here is wind tunnel data for the YAV-8B the harrier 2 prototype with no lerx.

At a speed of .14 Mach both the harrier 2 and harrier 1 have fairly impressive lift coefficients. Consider this data is for harrier carrying 2 ferry tanks.

The AV-8A stall speed is also about 180 knots meaning this Cl is for a harrier 1 post stall.

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Gaijin also didn’t factor in Cl increase due to the Pegasus engine. So there is that too.

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This one too is also hilarious.

“We don’t think it can sustain the G seen in the E-M diagram and in the Operating data manual”

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do any british harrier 2s get a rwr with threat ID?

They all do… technically But the IDs programmed are ground threats, not air threats, as the aircraft was never intended to be engaging in A2A combat, only A2G

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Don’t they have different tones for different radar types too?

This obviously isn’t in game but I remember this being a form of identification.