And I agree that EC should have a AI overhaul but we also should have a option to play EC in realistic even if it is in the same events tab like it is in sim
For anything that isn’t an AIM-9G, you’re too far away by the time they turn around cause only the things without missiles have turn rate.
Not for the likes of things like the F3H demon sea vixen FAW. Any of the vautours that have missiles etc will catch them but these planes don’t necessarily need to be up BR’d (right now) maybe if they actually raise the BR ceiling to around 18 we could see proper decompression
list of planes that can intercept the B66B
MIG-15 - 8.0
MIG-15-BIS 8.7
MIG-17 9.0
MIG-19 9.3
MIG-21/J7II 9.3
F100D 9.3
F86K 9.0
F105 10.0
J35D 10.0
F104A 9.3
F104C 9.3
MIG17 with burner 9.0
J35A 10.0
CL-13 8.7
CL-13mk6 9.0
Lim 5P
F84F
MIg23BN
Su17M2 with R60s btw
every hunter model
ME163 B-0
Me163B
i could list more you get the point its easy to kill
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the F3H demon can most definetly catch them the banshee is a 7.3 named the F2H
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You’re right I mixed them up either way it has aim7c and can get a really easy front aspect on it
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no problem yeah it has a higher wing rip speed and after burner and maxes out at mach .91 honestly the 7.7 LA200 could intercept it same with the ME262C2B
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yak38
Agreed, ive played it and so far its entirely unable to reach bases before friendlies do, whether their in bombers or other fighter/strike aircraft carrying bombs they will always get there first. you will also always be intercepted before reaching the bases by anyone who climbs at all, even same br jets will reach you easily, as ive had a few matches where the japanese saber with aim9bs was able to catch me with an aim9b before i reached the base. climbing will not save you, diving will not save you, your 20mm turret will not save you, and the booster rockets you get on spawn will not allow you to reach bases before friendlies anyways so youre basically guaranteed deadweight to your whole team and a free kill to anyone else. playing anywhere in the br bracket of 9.0-10.0 means you can just bully it with a missile. gaijin needs to understand that making a jet worth 8.0 have boosters on spawn doesnt make it suddenly worth 9.0 cause as it stands both versions of the b57 are direct upgrades. they reach the bases due to airspawns and they have the ability to dodge missiles and in the b57b’s case actually shoot back too
anyways its not the yak28 (which is twice as fast at the same br) so it wont get any attention from gaijin.
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pal, a saber can catch it easily and if its the japanese 9.0 one it can even shoot you with an aim9b, mig15s can catch it, everything that isnt a sub 1000kmh strike aircraft can catch it at 9.0
its an extremely over br’d jet that in full downtiers does worse than the b57 does in full uptiers, i would know since ive played both myself.
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The B-66 goes mach .92 while having SEP of over 4000 feet per time.
The only Sabre that gets close to that climb rate at that speed is the F-86K, the after-burning one.
9.3 being compressed does not justify moving B-66, F-86K, etc lower.
If the climb rate on the stat card is near accurate then this thing doesn’t belong to 9.0. Basically any 8.7 and some 8.3 can outclimb it and intercept it with ease, even more so the ones that have missiles. Definitely not 9.0 material, and basically anyone that gets a 10.0 match in it should leave the match asap (tbh this is true for all aircraft anyway, if more people did that we would have more balance).
Its climb rate is up to ~54 meters per second. It’s faster than many 8.7 fighters, and at least half a dozen 9.0 fighters.
It cruises at mach 0.95 at 2500 meters altitude, just slightly slower than Yak-28’s low altitude cruise speed.
10.0 being under-BR’d is another issue that should be discussed instead.
Well, even if your claim is 100% right for arguing’s sake
(TMI: Currently outside. So can’t check in-game)
I don’t think subsonic bomber jets
- with no frontal weaponry
- with no flare
- and no air spawns
can damage the gameplay of lower BR.
Either Vautour or B-66B.
Especially when the 'interceptor version of Vautour, which can use four 30mm DEFA and four R.511 ‘bomber fragger’ SARH maintains 8.3BR with juicy air spawn.
While inferior bombers rot in 9.0BR.
20mm tail gunner of B-66B?
If that was a valuable asset, Tu-4 at 8.0BR in 2025 would’ve meta, because of 23mm NR-23 turrets with no dead-zone on her fuselage.
If that is your reason why B-66 or Vautour needs to stay 9.0BR
We should have dealt with those damn biased F-86/MiG-15 instead first.
As long as airfield destruction is deleted in the jet era,
(with an intended exaggeration) B-66 or Vautour can’t damage gameplay as much as you think even if it is 8.0BR W/O airspawn.
Yeah, Buffing Vautour or B-66B maaayybe has a chance of ruining the low-tier jet gameplay.
But even if it is true,
It is obviously better than facing four Hunter/F-86F-2/Su-7B in 8.0-9.0 match while playing Meteor F.8 or Vampite FB.5 and top-tier jets on your side, which should deal with enemy F-86F-2, are filled with Vautour & B-66B Pinatas, which carry a white flag inside the fuselage.
We need to choose the lesser devil.
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B-66B and Vautours have the same spawning situation.
It’s air on maps changed, and ground on maps unchanged.
Tu-4 is locked onto by AIM-9Bs outside turret range, and unlike B-66 and Vautour doesn’t have the maneuverability to defeat them prior to launch or during launch.
B-66B would’ve been the fastest 9.0 bomber in the game if Yak-28 was kept where it should be.
Even the 9.3 Buccaneer has a slower top speed than B-66B, but has a higher TWR which makes up for the differences.
Flares might help sometimes against a pesky hiding AV-8 as well, especially since Bucc is 0.1 mach slower than B-66.
Also, if any Mig-15, or any Sabre successfully intercepts my B-66, or Buccaneer S2 for that matter since it’s a slower top speed, I’ll complain about them.
Until that point, I will not.
I will exclusively consider F-86K as the sole threat of the Sabres, and it’s an incredibly minor threat, as that’s the only F-86 with the climb rate and potential top speed to intercept a B-66 or Buccaneer S2.
LIM-5P would be a bigger threat than F-86K if it had AIM-9Bs.
Like of course B-66 will be intercepted by Ayit, sometimes Mig-21S’s, F-4Cs, and so forth.
This is why decompression is necessary as a way to buff these bombers and their fighter counterparts.
Edit cleaned things and colored other things.
No. Inteceptor variant of Vautour is 8.3BR and Rank 5 interceptor. It maintains Air spawns exclusively.
Just like the USAF version of the F-84F does.
If you cut the throttle and shut the engine down, you can have a window of opportunity to resist planes with AIM-9B. While Gliding.
Yeah, maybe you can do evasive manoeuvres against them while playing them. But you need to expend energy while turning, which will eventually let the enemy gun you down.
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Okay, it is your choice to sideclimb and maintain a high altitude to be ineffective and raise your survival chances.
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And you successfully ignored every supersonic threats in 9.0BR(Su-7) or higher(F-100, F-104, Lightnings and much mores)
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What I meant by F-86 and MiG-15 part is
‘There are bigger issues than keeping this pinata on 9.0BR’
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Even if this is solely true, I don’t think this should be the reason that B-66 should be the same BR as F-86F-2/86K/Hunter.
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Also, it won’t change the fact that your B-66B will be dead weight of your team when your teammates are crying for desperate help to fight against enemy fighter jets while they are being slaughtered in 8.0-9.0 match.
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Just like F-117 did in ARB.
Not really, I know spaded it should be faster but it can’t gain in a 7° or 8° degree climb and it gets worse with heavier bombs. Even the Cougar which is on the slower end of the 8.3 planes can easily outclimb it and intercept it.
F4C is fine where it is F4C IS FLARELESS gets AIM9E as its best IR It cannot go higher so B66 has to go lower ands it’s not like b66 can’t be intercepted by most 7.7s
Why can’t 10.0 - 14.3 not move up by 0.3?
B-66 can’t even be intercepted by most 8.7s if not all.
Mig-17 is the fastest among the 8.7s, and it’s still not fast enough to get a guns intercept.
None of the other planes at its br have been moved up