Australian & New Zealand Ground Forces Sub-Tree

Not all Yerambas had the applique armour. I suspect it was left on if the vehicle that came in to be rebuilt already had it, but it is not part of the conversion. The simple observation that there is no reason to put an additional 44mm of armour over the 2" transmission housing, the least likely part to be hit, while leaving the gun protected by a half inch and the super structure by one and a half inches, should be sufficient. Especially on an artillery vehicle that is not intended to be used in direct fire.

Some had it, some didn’t.

I’ll double check the E2 chassis test builds and rename as appropriate.
I am aware the L/34 was a one off, I haven’t stated the A.C.3 had the L/34 fitted, only that it was likely to go in to production.
I wouldn’t include the Scorpion since it was not built either and is more of a departure from the standard running prototypes.
And regardless of whether they could all use the Bren gun, clearly not many had it equipped at any given time, as evidenced by photos. And the Cruiser we have in game hasn’t got it, which is an acceptable representation because most did not have it on.

Yep, it was a left over from the Grants they were modified from. Still something they did have and should have in game.

There’s no record of production planning for a lengthened 25 pounder, only standard length MkII and the Short. I don’t see any reason to think an upgraded AC3 L34 is “likely”, especially as the 17 pounder is just better at putting holes in things and was expected to be along shortly. The later 25 pounder armed tanks, the AC3 and AC4A, were expected to support the 17 pounder armed tanks not replace them.

The AA Bren with 36 magazines is on the stowage list for the AC1, AC3, and AC4, but is stored internally out of the dust and weather. You just aren’t going to see it in a photograph unless it is deployed. It is standard equipment, all the tanks had it. The War Thunder AC1 is incomplete.

Just going off my book on the Australian Cruiser. It’s a minor detail, but if it pleases you I will remove the phrase about the L/34 being likely intended for production. And yes I’m aware the 25pdr is inferior to a 17pdr.
And I see no harm in having two A.C.Is, one without the AA gun mounted, and the rubber tracks. And one with the AA gun, and the steel tracks. It’s not like we don’t have 7 Tiger Is in the game, not including the “Porsche Tigers”.

Edit: The incorrectly labelled E2 chassis prototype designs have been correctly relabeled E1. And the mention of the L/34 being likely approved for production has been removed unless documentation can be found stating otherwise.

All good.

The harm? Because it seems to me to lack any rational basis to deliberately have two of the same tank, one with an AAMG able to use it and the same tank with the same AAMG unable? doubly so if based on selective interpretation of photographic evidence? I mean under your Australian Cruiser Mk 1A entry, in that photo you can’t actually see the 2 pounder, but we both know it is there, so you wouldn’t say that that wasn’t fitted.

But if seeing is believing, E2 has photos with the AAMG in place, the production tanks AA practice:

So the AAMG is there from E2 right through the Sentinel, the AC3, to the AC4.

If you want to have two tanks with functional difference based on history sure, put steel tracks on one AC1, it’ll be faster and more responsive, or make one a Scorpion engined tank again it’ll be a tiny bit faster and it was closer to being built than the AC1A in my view. If you want to have arbitrary distinctions in game, also fine, just don’t tie it to reality.

us sub tree

The US certainly doesn’t need a sub-tree, they have plenty of vehicles. I reckon the best place for AUS+NZ would be in a Canadian tree with this as a sub, or turn the UK tree into a Commonwealth one.

Of course those have their own problems, but the US has plenty of indigenous designs that could be added to the game.

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us sub tree. us suffers it clearly needs more tanks

I have that one

If you feel passionately enough about it, bug report it and get Gaijin to add it to the existing A.C.I. I’ll take any added functionality for it, no matter how limited a 0.303 mg may be.
Also, I didn’t actually say the AA gun wasn’t fitted to other Sentinels. I literally called them optional extras that could be had. If the gun can either be stored inside or mounted, that is an optional extra…

I don’t do bug reports. I prefer dealing with those who might be amenable to reason.

So the main reason I made one with and one without the mg is because a model of the tank already is in the game without it. And I wanted one with it. If Gaijin is open to adding it to both/the existing one, great. So again, if it pleases you I’ll add the Bren to the specs of the first one as well.
And two of the same tank, like I pointed out with all the Tiger Is, can help lineups. You literally have another Sentinel without using a backup. Or 4 Sentinels with backups.
Plus there would have to be 2 of them to have both the rubber and steel tracks represented since it’s a little part of the history of the Cruiser program to represent.

I have the MRV in the tech tree already, because it was more numerous and newer. The FSV is in as a premium because, well, in the game they’d function almost the same. So I thought why not have one a premium.
Also, where is that Bushmaster M113 from?

sorry, i didn’t do due diligence when looking at the bushmaster one. i saw the image in a news article talking about Australia sending them to Ukraine 2 years ago, but it turns out it is produced by a Turkish company FNSS.
the article was talking about bushmaster vehicles and it turns out that that image is a 25mm SABER Turret.

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I’ve updated this post with some different camos for both halves of the ANZACs and linked it in the op.

+1
Australia was butchered so bad with only premiums and a squadron in US? Not sure I understand what the driving force was behind this decision since the top tier tanks being shared door was opened long ago. France has leopards and everyone has t-series. Unlike many others, though, this alliance makes lot of sense up until modern day. I hope this will be actualized.

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Just a little update, I plan to remove the KF41, M60A1 and M551 as soon as I can (need to redo the pictures of the tree). It does not seem like trials vehicles should have a place here based on other trials vehicles in the game.

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+1 for Britain, would much rather this than India.

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On second thought, given the KF41 had a level of Australian technology in it, I’m going to leave that in there. So will probably just remove the M60A1 and M551 since they were just on loan from USA for evaluation.

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