Asymmetrical Battles Await You In the “Advance” Event!

[AurenKarach]

@WalletWorrier

This is only a problem because these modes lack any structural asymetry to balance out the vehicles of the “stronger side”.

In shooter games, people get bored of asymmetry rather quickly. This mission type is already trying to introduce a commendable asymmetry of objectives and it ain’t easy. No need to pile up even more asymmetries.

@WalletWorrier

Take the D-Day event in 2024 I believe

There’s a reason why it hasn’t returned. It suffered from the same issue encountered by every single historical event ever tried in WT.

@WalletWorrier

War Thunder is not and never should be treated as some sort of competitive tank FPS.

Already is.

@WalletWorrier

It is and always will be at its core a quasi-simulator historical military vehicle game.

Thanks for the laugh lmao.

Quasi-simulator, so much so that we fight tank battles without infantry support, imagine that.

The milsim experience of deploying a Maus to the fucking Arctic side by side with Italy to defend a research base from France. So immersive. Really gives you an understanding of the logistical and organisational requirements of tank combat.

Also, we operate in units of 16 completely heterogenous vehicles from different nations, with no commanders or officers, no doctrine, nothing.

Give me a break man.

@WalletWorrier

Historical game modes are what the people actually want,

Citation needed. Unfortunately for you, the number of people who play GRB belies your statement.

@Zathral

Time travel is a problem.

No more so than GRB, which is to say, not at all.

It’s a 4.7 - 5.7 BR bracket equivalent, but without the quantitative MM restriction of max 4 players at 5.7. The only difference is in the objectives and since this is a test for a mission type there is no need to talk about vehicle placements just like it makes no difference if you get conquest or domination in GRB - the BRs stay the same.

@Zathral

This would thrive as a WW2 themed mode with no cold war vehicles.

It would not.

Besides, what is this, time travel for thee and not for me? The PaK Puma and the Porsche Tiger would never be allowed to be in the same lineup if this was done under historical MM. You can bring along the Dicker Max, that is also time travel since the last one stopped being functional after the battle of Stalingrad, etc etc.

@Zathral

CAS needs to be restricted.

It’s already much more restricted than in GRB, so imho, no.

@Zathral

I didn’t see a Pucara

I’m using it. Very fun.

@Zathral

If made WW2 themed

Whatever historical WW2 themed event they do have in mind will likely be announced soon. But it ain’t this one, chief. BVVD mentioned them as separate points in his post.

[Zathral]

@__Renzo__

The A cap on maginot is easily defendable for German teams lmao. They absolutely farm there and it’s arguably the hardest point to take for the attackers.

Most of the attacker games I lost on maginot I lost without even taking A.

It was the impression after 1 game

@AurenKarach

It would not.

Besides, what is this, time travel for thee and not for me? The PaK Puma and the Porsche Tiger would never be allowed to be in the same lineup if this was done under historical MM. You can bring along the Dicker Max, that is also time travel since the last one stopped being functional after the battle of Stalingrad, etc etc.

Zathral:

WW2 themed is not the same as pure historical. I never advocated to make this a pure re-enactment sim.

Third game. Maningot again. First point held, we pushed into the attacking spawn. Maningot is clearly a problem!
A yak 9k was causing havoc
I left before the end because it got really boring waiting for the last 2 to run out of respawns

[OzzRedNose]

Interesting to see something new, but few games was enough to spot the negatives that are affecting almost all other game modes right now.

1. Death limit after which you are forced to leave to main menu. Just make like in nuclear escalation where you can have unlimited spawns as long as you have SL, and SL + SP for planes.
2. Players can leave after 1-2 deaths and new players can’t refill the vacant place to make teams even. Again, it should be like in nuclear event.
3. Both sides should be attackers and defenders to push each other in both directions. Currently defenders in most cases are very passive and almost always just sitting near spawn and sniping allowing attackers to crawl to point and grab all points 1 by 1. Defenders lack any motivation to push as they already start with captured point and don’t have to capture anything else, and when attackers grab the point it’s already too late to push them back.

[AurenKarach]

@Zathral

WW2 themed is not the same as pure historical. I never advocated to make this a pure re-enactment sim.

Then it appears that our problem is solved. Since there is a majority of WW2 vehicles in this bracket, and historical acuracy is not required, the time travellers can stay where they are. Glad we cleared that up.

[PiekarzV2]

But the other mode is arcade version which i don’t want to play

[BRCompression]

The fundamental issues Gaijin has with this game mode are twofold:

1. Gaijin has cultivated a player base whose playstyle is contradictory to the games original gameplay. As a result, you’re seeing problems because this game mode doesn’t fit the fast-paced gameplay that players have become accustomed to in Ground Battles. The declining player count in active battles reflects this mismatch.

2. The game mode addresses none of the fundamental issues already present in Ground Battles. The main problems with Ground Battles have always been:

   • #1: CAS
   • #2: Lack of meaningful objectives
   • #3: Poor map design
   • #4: Vehicle balance

Instead of solving these issues, this game mode arguably makes some of them worse. It covers one of the widest balance ranges in the matchmaker (3.7-5.7), provides no meaningful objective for the attacking team beyond rushing the capture point or sending light tanks ahead, and is played on some of the worst maps in the game.

[Caernarvon02]

can i get a bloody defence match. ive had nothing but attacks this actually sucks

[AurenKarach]

Stop asking an LLM to validate your world view like a sycophant. Dear god. Can’t you even write feedback yourself?

[Zathral]

Game 4, port novo defending as germany. we were back to the D point this time. Of course we spammed ATTACK THE D POINT DEFEND THE D POINT!

I seem to only defend as Germany…

CAS not an issue this game. Felt more balanced as we were pushed back until the attacker numbers dwindled.

Time travel irritations as usual

SL rewards are spot on in this mode.

[Beeschurger]

i disagree. the game mode works, CAS is more restricted, and theres now layer of actual tactical gameplay. it needs to be made pernament.

[Zathral]

A disgusting PT 76 tactic… Run across the map with smoke on, let another rat cap.

[BRCompression]

Because i spent the time to learn to use ** and format my points doesn’t mean i am using a LLM

Also what is a Sycophant ?

[BRCompression]

Half of the time playing i am getting bombed i don’t know if you get high enough in the bombing priority list we call a leader-board but that always happens to me after i get above 5 kills

[AurenKarach]

@BRCompression

Because i spent the time to learn to use ** and format my points doesn’t mean i am using a LLM

Dude, who are you trying to fool?

@BRCompression

As a result, you’re seeing problems because

You. This is the LLM telling you that you’re seeing problems. You haven’t noticed because evidently you haven’t even proofread this shit. If I want ChatGPT’s opinion on the game mode I can ask it myself

[Bruce_R1]

@AurenKarach

Whatever historical WW2 themed event they do have in mind will likely be announced soon. But it ain’t this one, chief. BVVD mentioned them as separate points in his post.

That quote again: “Besides Escalation, we’re also working on new modes that we plan to launch throughout the summer for both aviation and combined battles. This includes various historical events, as well as new modes and mission types. Details will be released when these events are announced. These events won’t be as large-scale as Escalation, but I hope they will also bring new or well-forgotten experiences.” (emphasis added)

So, “historical” doesn’t always mean WW2, of course: he doesn’t say specifically WW2.

This isn’t really a new mode/mission type, as we’ve done earlier versions of Advance in previous years. It does have historical matchmaking though, which BVVD has always equated in previous comments to be what he considers “historical events.” So long as it’s Allies on one side and Axis on the other, to him it seems, it’s “historical.” So I think the jury’s still out on whether this was actually the historical-WW2 themed special event of this summer.

[Zathral]

And now we pushed attackers into their spawn after 1 cap on novo. Attackers need more respawns!

[Kicimijazawa]

Finaly something different, and for fun BRs.

[Beeschurger]

@BRCompression

i don’t know if you get high enough in the bombing priority list we call a leader-board

A) according to both statshark and your forum profile you have 7 battles in total so unless youre speaking to me from alt (which is against TOS), i doubt your expertise
B) you can always look up my stats and tell me if i get high enough in bombing priority list

[BRCompression]

When your going to understand that people care nothing about your self righteous crusade ?
I care nothing of your Opinion, I care nothing of your allegations, I am not going to bow and do the things you deem worthy in order for you to cease your nuisance.

And you think i don’t know your Tactics? I know them you disagree with my point but you have NOTHING to contradict it that’s why you have to do this, Preaching of clear vision in order for your supremacy complex to function.

[BRCompression]

If you have any issues your clear to report me for doing what other gaijin associated content creators have done such as dollarplay have done.

My argumentation was simple, That CAS is a problem you have the right to disagree but if you have to deliberately reframe my point to a measuring content of who wasted the more hours your free to do alone.