Prove that Typhoon can carry AGM-65s and you’ll have the Su-34/F-16C/F-15/Mirage-2000D/Rafale equivalent AGM.
Who said anything about giving Typhoon AGM-65?
Only giving them equal performance AGMs.
Brimstone is a FnF missile but Gaijin refuses to do so for balancing reasons.
They are also fully aware that the Typhoon should have Brimstone 2s or later, but instead is ahistorically limited to Brimstone 1s for “Balancing reasons”. This would be like limiting the F-16 to AGM-65As or the Su-34 to KH-29s for “balancing reasons”
Given the reasoning behind the Brimstone nerfs. It is frustrating that the same is not applied to any other missile. The logic and reasons given to not giving Brimstones their historically accurate FnF could easily be applied to have the IOG removed from KH-38s or AASM and yet they have not been removed.
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The reasonable move would.be to limit it to say 6 or.9 brimstones with fnf rather than the plethora it has nerfed.
Yep, or just have the SP cost increase exponentially with quantity. So 6 is on par with everyone else, but 9-18 costs an ever increasing amount.
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Though i have seen more ef2000s wipe out half a team than su34s cause the platform itself is substantially better.
But its swings and roundabouts and ive not got either yet so im trying to be more reserved on it.
The ef2000 can also clear the air far better than the su34.
Could also do 6 brimstone 2 as fnf and the rest as brim 1 with sal only?
just full send it and add MMW brimstones with AGM-114L, GBU-53, and JAGM-F (maybe), as well as whatever other equivalents there are
must be added with chaff smoke grenades though
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Id rather see the vehicles added with their equipment snd their BRs reflect that.
Than artificially nerfed or missing stuff so they can slip into a br bracket.
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F-15E would be like 16.3 in ground then lol, but im all for it
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A Typhoon has a lot of potential, I basically carried my team to victory in it in a GSB match the other day. 10 ground kills and 1 air kill. So its not that its unusable, but it is pretty unfair the nerfs applied to it.
I’ve also seen Tornado Gr4s wipe out an enemy team before and prior to the Su-34 being added, plenty of complaints about the Su-25SM3. So airframe performance is of little relevance.
Yes, though the PESA radar and inherrently small map size actually could be considered an advantage for the Su-34 as the R-77s are better at close ranges than AMRAAM and the Typhoons radar still has its problems. Especially when trying to find targets at shorter ranges.
You could, though that would still be really annoying in air modes, like air sim where you may want to run 18x FnF missiles.
I would simply apply my solution but have the SAL-only brimstones not increase the SP cost, at least not until all A2G weapons get exponetial SP costs.
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We need two versions of Brimstones that we can select on the loadout preset, SAL only or FnF only with a max limit of 6 for FnF and no limit for SAL. I think that would solve most of the problems in so far as balance is concerned.
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Yep, so long as that limit was applied only to ground modes though. Would be a frustrating limitations for air modes like air sim.
Absolutely, we need the full capabilities for sim, there is no reason to limit Brimstone to SAL in air modes.
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Here is the point that every jet/verhicle is overpower at top BR while you have good jet/verhicle it depend on the player skill. You can fly in SU-34 and still lose the battle if the op team can spawn jet fighter like F-15 or F-16 into battle and kill you SU-34/Eurofighter.
We need to get gaijin to stop giving artificial mechanics to weapons. If the brimstone had no option to disable the LOAL, then they should remove it until they feel they can add it with LOAL.
I really do not like this sudden shift to players who want to give weapons fake mechanics. At that point, just give the eurofighter agm65s.
Anytime I die to an SU34 and I don’t have enough SP to do CAP myself if I don’t see my team doing it I instantly leave the match. No point in being a free RP piñata there’s absolutely nothing you can do most of the time
also has a maw. the typhoon is far better A2A wise than the Su34, the maps may be smaller but that doesnt change how the R77 performs, the Su34 if it fires it from a low speed situation essentially ruins any advantage the R77 has, as well as this the EF2000 can easily dodge and outmenueve missiles from opposing planes and SPAAG whilst maintaining a far more energy than the su34.
The su34 is a strike air craft, it absolutely is better than most of the top tier roster in game bar maybe the F15E for ground strike capabilities. But as soon as its pressured or pressed its advantage is pretty much gone.
unfair? 10 ground kills with it is not unfair at all, im all for making stuff historically accurate. However the typhoon right now is absolutely wrecking lobbies at top tier right now to give it full access to 18 brim 2s would make eveyr other plane obsolete. Personally i feel adding all of this tech this soon was a pretty stupid idea on gaijins front as the games barely balanced for 10.0 cas never mind some of the most modern equipment in the world flying around.
the performance is a massive part of it. The GR4’s and Su25M3’s will get shot down far, far easier than the typhoon ever will.
The typhoon itself IRL is one of the best platforms ever created.
Its multirole capabilities are insanely powerful. However that doesnt exactly translate into war thunder at all in a balanced or fair way, if its balanced, its gonna be unfair, if its not balanced and fair weapon wise then its gonna be incredibly difficult to even play against.
18 x FnF missiles i doubt will ever see warthunder mate im sorry i seriously do doubt it.
think about everyone cryin over the su34 with 6 long range FnF missiles.
Now imagine how insanely busted an incredibly potent platform with 18x FnF long range (not as long range but still long range) missiles would be. Even in air sim that thing would absolutely farm house before half hte roster could do anything.
and in GRB well thats evident to what it would do.
So why did they remove the grom’s? at a certain point the game cant facilitate it.
spawn an SPAA. plenty of the su34 pilots dont sit back out of range and tend to fly in closer to fire said missiles.
Like was done with grom’s they couldnt facilitate them being added without causing mayhem then dont add it.
then its A historical and why bother getting hte EF2000 when 2 out of the 3 trees have access to a gripen with the mavericks.
OVERALL: I personally believe none of these platforms should of been added, both ARB, GRB, GSB and ASB were no where near ready for them they are absolutely miles ahead of the competition in their respective fields and without an overhaul of the game they never will function even remotely near what theyre supposed to.
look at the amount of brimstones you can carry compared to agm65 or kh29 and you realize why they dont get nerfed
10 ground kills, completely uncontested, the enemy didnt once try to spawn in an SPAA like the Pantsir and only once did I find myself against an Su-34 which I destroyed before he had retracted his landing gear.
If there is a Pantsir up, your only real option is to climb to 30-40k ft and drop a PW4, Brimstones arent really usable. Imo, its not that the Typhoon is overly OP when it comes to CAS, but rather that German, Italian and British mains have been use to using low performance aircraft for CAS for the last 2 years and we have finally been given something good.
Given the sheer advantage of FnF missiles. Typhoon with Brimstone 2s would still likely be the 4th strongest CAS aircraft after the Su-34, Rafale and F-15E
Who cares in air modes? If 18x FnF Brimstones are too OP for air modes then when are they going ot remove GBU-39s from everything for also being too OP?
Because there is a massive difference in range here. FnF Brimstone 2s would still likely be limited to tpod range (20km) and so you owuld have to get close. Grom’s were removed because, using CCRP, you could fire them litereally cross map at bases and there was little you could do about it.
This is the same reason why A-10Cs or F-15Es can delete entire battlefields in a single pass with GBU-39s, they have to get close first.
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better than removing nothing
The gripen was quite a substantial addition for cas 4 x mavs and a great platform with a shedload of CMs.
do you mean GRB? or SB cause in GRB pantsirs while have long range are not some ungodly SPAA. (they are the best but its not a death dome). if i can get in with a harrier GR7 or an F15A with GBU-8s u can with a typhoon n brimstones. however thats not the point.
The rafale I havent seen yet so cant say.
The su34 cas wise is the second best right now as you lose access to a lot of munitions unlike the F15E which can carry 6 mavs, and guided bombs.
With brimstone two it would become either best or 2nd best.
the platform itself is miles better than the su34 and the F15E last time i checked is also worse performance wise.
how much damage can one do to a base?
whats the distance of the brim 2?
as well as that you can ripple them off and demolish ground units like no ones business, even if they are moving.
The GBU39s are GPS guided and can miss a lot of the time.
big if they are limited to the Tpod range.
Im aware as to why they were removed, im saying they were removed because the game literally could not facilitate their addition at all.
at a certain point the game needs a rework no amount of balancing or dicking about with the stats of a missile will make them function correctly.
there brimstones as it sits right now, in GRB absolutely shit house lobbies, as well as that you also have people istting literally in orbit dropping GBUs with the typhoon, as far as GRB goes, we need counters to these standoff weapons, not more of them added into the pile ontop of the others.