Argentine Air Forces Tech Tree

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An introduction:

Today we’ll be taking a look at the Suggestion for the Aerial tech tree of Argentina, this nation was among the pioneers of aviation in Latin America and grew to have one of the biggest air forces in the region, this tree is conformed by the Argentine Air force, Argentine Army Aviation, Argentine Naval Aviation Command and aircraft belonged to another nations that are close to Argentina or have Argentine involvement. Overall, this is a very interesting tree, with quite a lot of unique planes and modifications.

The tree Itself:

Aircraft by rank:

RANK I

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Dewoitine D-21 & FMA/Dewoitine D-21 (Possible reserve)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 12.8 meters
length 7.92 meters
height 2.75 meters
Power Plant: A 450 hp Lorraine- Dietrich 12EW 12-cylinder W-type water-cooled engine
Weight: empty 1090 kg
maximum take-off weight: 1720 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 267 Kph
Service Ceiling: 8991 m
Climb-rate: 7.3 m/s

Armament:
x2 Fuselage mounted Vickers Mgs and x2 wing mounted Darne Mgs (ARA)
x2 Fuselage mounted Madsen Mgs + up to 100kg of bombs

V-142A (Reserve)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 10.15 meters
length 6.64 meters
height 3.50 meters
Power Plant: A 750 hp Pratt & Whitney R53-A5-6 Twin Wasp radial engine with variable pitch propeller
Weight: empty 1,650 kg, maximum take-off 2,420 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 330 Kph
Range 1,175 km,
autonomy 4 hours.

Armament: 2 7.65 mm Colt MG40 submachine guns, one in a mobile aft in the rear cabin and one fixed/later the navy added changed the gun arrangement to 2 forward facing Mgs and 1 optional in the rear, and up to 215 kg of bombs in lower supports.

V-65F & V-66F (Reserve)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 11.20 meters
length 8.40 meters
height 3.30 meters
Wing surface area 31 meters2
Power Plant: A 630 hp Pratt & Whitney R-1690 Hornet radial engine
Weight: empty 1,450 kg, maximum take-off 2,148 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 289 Kph
range 1,190 km
autonomy 4 hours
service ceiling 5170 meters

Armament:
x2 7.65 mm Colt MG40 submachine guns, one in a mobile aft in the rear cabin and one fixed in the upper plane/ the navy upgraded this aircraft to 2 forward Mgs retaining the rear one , plus 2 bombs of 52 kg each in two lower wing supports.

Both V-65 and 66 are really similar.

I.Ae.22 DL (1.0)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 12.60 meters,
length 9.20 meters,
height 2.82 meters,
Wing surface 23.19 m2
Power Plant: A 9-cylinder radial engine I.Ae.16 The Gaucho (450 hp), Hamilton Standard 2M-D-30 metal double-bladed propeller
Weight: empty 1,520 kg, maximum take-off 2,220 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 290 Kph at 450 meters altitude,
cruise speed 260 Kph
range 1,100 km,
autonomy 4 hours 15 minutes,
service ceiling 5,200 meters.

Armament:
x2 7.65 mm Madsen machine guns and 450 projectiles each and 6 air-surface rockets of 11 kg each or 3 bombs of 50 kg each. The aircraft used in observation tasks had a third machine gun in a mobile aft in the rear cabin.

I.Ae.22C

Performance on this aircraft should better than the regular aircraft since this replaces the Gaucho engine for an Armstrong Siddeley Cheetah (475 hp) and receives a new propeller

NA-16 (1.3)

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General Characteristics:
Crew: 2
Dimensions:
Length: 8,41 m
Wingspan: 13 m
Height: 2,67 m
Powerplant: 1 Wright R-975 Whirlwind (400hp)
Empty weight 1396 kg
Max Takeoff Weight: 3080 kg
Performance:
Max speed: 290 Km/h
Cruise Speed 274 Km/h
Range: 1127 Km

Armament:
2x 7.7 Mgs in the nose, one in the back (optional) and Bombs

Grumman G-15, G-20, J2F-6 (1.0 and 1.3)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
wingspan 11.89 meters
length 10.36 meters
height 4.24 meters
Wing surface 38 m2
Power Plant: A Wright Cyclone R-1820 radial water-cooled 770 hp engine (the J2F6 and G-15 had more powerful engines)
Weights: empty 2486 kg, Gross weight: 3,493 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 310 Kph
cruise speed: 249 Kph
Stall speed: 110 Kph
service ceiling 6100 m

Armament:
x2 Browning machine guns, a 7.62 mm mounted in the back and bombs suspended in the wings

Hawk III&IV (1.3)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
wingspan 9.6 meters
length 7.17 meters
height 3.03 meters
Wing surface 24.34 m2
Power Plant: A Wright Cyclone R-1820 radial water-cooled 770 hp engine
Weights: empty 1,509 kg, maximum take-off 2,065 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 362 Kph
cruise speed 253 Kph
maximum range, 1167 km
service ceiling 8,230 m
climb rate: 655 m / min (11 m/s)
Armament:
x2 Browning machine guns, a 7.62 mm M1919 and a 12.7 mm M2 and a 215 kg bomb on a ventral support or two 53 kg each in sub-wing supports.

Both Hawk III and IV were quite similar, with the exception of the hawk IV had a fully enclosed cockpit.

AT-6 & SNJ-5C (1.3)

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The AT-6 (Top) differs from the SNJ-5C (bottom) since the later was “Navalized” and it has a more powerful engine.
SNJ-5C
General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 12.81 meters
length 8.84 meters
height 3.57 meters
Wing surface 253.7 m2
Power Plant: A radial air-cooled engine, Pratt & Whitney R-1340-AN1 600hp and Hamilton Standard 10/50/46 bi-blade variable pitch propeller
Weight: empty 1,823 kg, maximum take-off 2,381 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 338 Kph
Range 1,200 km,
service ceiling 7,400 meters.

Armament:
x3 7.62mm M2 fixed machine guns and subalar and ventral supports for bombs up to 100kg or rockets

Ae.M.B.1 & 2 (1.0)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 17.20 meter,
length 10.90 meters
height 2.80 meters
Wing surface 25 m2
Power Plant: A 715 hp Wright R-1820-F3 Cyclone 9-cylinder radial engine, Hamilton Standard variable-pitch metallic propeller
Weights: empty 2,120 kg, maximum take-off 3,500 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 285 Kph
cruise speed 240 Kph
reach 600 km
service ceiling 6,000 meters.

Armament:
x2 machine guns Madsen 1933 of 7.65 mm in a dorsal turret, a similar one in the hood and another of 11.35 mm in a ventral position and up to 400 kg of bombs.

The Ae.M.B.2 got rid of the top turret, its performance and tail structural strength were better.

P2Y-3A (1.3)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
wingspan 30.48 meters
length 18.82 meters
height 5.82 meters
Wing surface 140.65 m2
Power Plant: 2 radial Wright Cyclone R-1820-90 750 hp engines
Weight: empty 5.79 kg, maximum takeoff 11,460 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 240 Kph
Range 1,900 km
service ceiling 4,265 mts
Climb rate 3.3 m/s

Armament:
x2 7.62 mm machine guns, one of 12.7 mm and up to 910 kg of bombs

K-43 (1.3)

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General characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 17.75 meters
length 10.27 meters
height 3.53 meters
Wing surface 43 m2
Power Plant: 1 BMW 132 660 hp radial engine
Weight: empty 1,700 kg, maximum take-off 3,200 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 265Kph
cruise speed 233 Kph
Range 900 km
service ceiling 6,300 m
climbing speed 3.2 m / sec

Armament:
The K.43 could carry up to 1000 kg of bombs
x4 7.65 Mgs (turreted)

Martin 139WA & 139WAA (1.3)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 21.49 meters
length 13.64 meters
height 4.70 meters
Wing surface 62.99 m2
Power Plant: 2 radial engines Wright R-1820-33 Cyclone 775 hp each
Weights: empty 4,390 kg, maximum take-off 7,400 kg,
Performance:
maximum speed 340 Kph
Range 2,000 km
service ceiling 7,375 meters

Armament:
x3 7.62 mm COLT MG-40 machine guns in three shooting positions (dorsal, ventral and bow) and up to 1025 kg of bombs

The WAA its just a regular B-10B (there is an exception regarding one example of the FAA that had different nose arrangement

I.Ae.35 (1.3 or 2.0)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 19.0 meters
length 13.98 meters
height 4.70 meters
Wing surface 42 m2
Power Plant: 2 radial 9-cylinder engines I.Ae. R-19C 750 hp power, variable pitch gut propellers, Rotol 170-3-30
Weights: empty 3,500 kg, maximum take-off 5,800 kg, fuel 1200 Lts
Performance:
maximum speed 380 Kph at 2100 meters high,
cruise speed 370 km / h at 2800 meters,
Range1450 km,
service ceiling 6,500 meters,
autonomy 4 hours 38 minutes,
Climb rate 6.6 meters / sec

Armament (Model 1b):
x2 12.7 mm Browning machine guns fixed on the nose
x4 bombs of 50 kg each or x2 of 100 kg each
x8 T-10 Rockets.

RANK II

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H/75O (2.3 & 2.7)

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General characteristics:
Dimensions:
wingspan 11.38 meters
length 8.71 meters
height 2.82 meters
Wing surface 21.92 m2
Power Plant: A 1000 hp Wright Cyclone R-1820G-5 radial engine with Curtiss three-wheel propeller
Weights: maximum take-off 2,340 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 488 Kph at 5,970 meters
service ceiling 9,700 meters, autonomy 4 hours

Armament:
x3 7.65 mm Madsen machine guns, 2 on each wing and one fixed on the hood, next to another 11.35 mm Madsen and up to 136 kg of bombs

*The FMA Version has access to bombs

A 3rd version armed with 20mm cannons is available after the regular H75O

T-34A (B45) Mentor (2.0)

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General characteristics:
Crew: 2
Length: 7.9 m
wingspan: 10,6 m
Height: 2.9 m
Wing surface: 16,7 m²
Empty weight: 977 kg
Max Take off weight: 1 315 kg
Engine: 1× 6 cylinder boxer Continental O-470-13.
Power: 168 kW (225 HP; 228 CV)
Max speed: 306 km/h
Range: 1 520 km (max)
Service ceiling: 6 096 m
Climb rate: 6,3 m/s

Armament:
x2 7.62 Mg in the wings and 2 Pylons for bombs or rockets

T-28A (2.7)

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^Worse performance than the T-28S in the next rank (Pending spec list)

I.Ae.24 (2.3)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 16.34 meters
length 12 meters
height 2.62 meters
Wing surface 38 m2
Power Plant: 2 radial Pratt & Whitney R-1830 S1C3G Twin Wasp 1050 hp radial engines, Hamilton Standard 23-E-50 variable-pitch metallic three-wheel propellers
Weight: empty 5,340 kg, maximum take-off 8,164 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 440 Kph
cruise speed 380 Kph
range 1,100 km,
autonomy 3 hours,
service ceiling 10,000 meters,
Climb Rate: 12.50 meters / sec

Armament:
x4 12.7 mm AN / M3 machine guns with 1100 shots, as for the Late variant this will replace the 12.7 Mgs with 20mm Hispano cannons and get bombs and rockets as payload.

SM.79B (2.3)

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Similar example to the one in game (Italian TT)

PBM-5 (3.0)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 36 meters
length 23.50 meters
height 5.33 meters
Wing surface 131 m2
Power Plant: 2 radial engines Pratt & Whitney R-2800-22 of 2,000 hp each
Weight: empty 15,048 kg, maximum take-off 25,425 kg,
Performance:
maximum speed 322 Kph
Range 4,800 km
service ceiling 6,040 meters

Armament:
x3 turrets with two 12.7 mm Browning M2 machine guns and 2 more in two lateral positions and up to 1814 kg of bombs, torpedoes, anti submarine loads, mines, etc.

8A-2 (2.0)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 14.54 meters
length 9.67 meters
height 3.62 meters
Wing surface 33.7 m2
Powerplant: A Wright R-1820-G3 840 hp radial
Weights: empty 2,211 kg, maximum take-off 3,328 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 360 Kph
cruising speed 322 Kph
Range 1915 km
Service ceiling 7,700 mts

Armament:
x2 11.65 mm Madsen machine guns, 2 7.35 mm Madsen machines, all located on the wings, a 7.35 mm Madsen on a stand located in the rear cabin and up to 600 kg of bombs

RANK III

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G.55A (3.7)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 11.85 meters
length 9.37 meters
height 3.13 meters
Wing surface 21.11 m2
Power Plant: A FIAT R.A.1050 Tifone V-12 linear motor of 1475 hp (1055 kw)
Weight: empty 2,630 kg, maximum take-off 3,718 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 623 Kph
Range 1,650 km,
service ceiling 12,750 meters,
ascent rate 6000 meters in 5 min 50``

Armament:
x2 Breda-SAFAT 12.7 mm machine guns on the wings and up to 2 160 kg bombs in subalar supports.

Fiat G.59 (4.3)

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Dimensions:
Wingspan 11.85 meters
length 9.47 meters
height 3.76 meters
Power Plant: x1 Rolls Royce Merlin T-24-2 V12, with max power of 1630hp at 3000rpm.
Weight: empty 2630 kg, maximum take-off 3100 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 600 Kph
Range 1,700 km,
service ceiling 12700 meters,
Climb rate: 14.5M/s

Armament:
x2 Breda-SAFAT 12.7 mm machine guns on the wings and up to 2 160 kg bombs in subalar supports.

Spitfire Mk.VIII (4.3)

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This aircraft was donated to Argentina for testing by the Uk along with 2 other Spitfires (Mk.IX) and a Hurricane

T-34C (B45)Turbo mentor (3.0)

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General Characteristics:
Crew: 2
Dimensions
Wingspan: 10.6 m
Length: 9 m
Height: 2.9
Empty Weight: 1360 Kg
Loaded Weight: 1995 Kg
Engine: PT6A-25 turbo-prop engine (Pratt & Whitney Aircraft of Canada)
Power: 550Hp
Maximum speed: 518 Km/h
Cruise speed: 413 Km/h
Range:1100km
Service Ceiling: 7620 m
Climb Rate: 7,62m/s

Armament:
This aircraft has 4 Pylons (compared to the 2 of the T-34A) where it can carry Mg pods (2 twin 7.62 ones) and 2 rocket pods or bombs

T-28S and T-28P (3.7)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 12.37 meters
length 10.06 meters
height 3.86 meters
Wing surface 24.9 m2
Power Plant: A radial engine Wright R-1820-56S Cyclone of 1300 hp, propeller gut
Weight: empty 2,835 kg, maximum take-off 3,855 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 566 Kph
Range 1900 km
service ceiling 10,820 meters

Armament: Up to 1815 kg of weapons in subalar supports such as bombs, machine gun pods, rockets, etc.

Both T-28S and T-28P are really similar, the main difference is that the P variant was modified in Argentina to operate from carriers

PV2-5/SP-2E/SP-2H

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PV2-5

Along with the first PV2-5 there are 2 more who differed on turret arrangement, 3,2 or 1 turret (front, top and tail positions)

General Characteristics:
Crew:11
Dimensions:
Length: 27,94 m
Wingspan: 31,65 m
Height: 8,94 m
Wing surface: 92,9 mts2
PowerPlant: 2x Wright R-3350-30WA Cyclone ( 3.250 HP)
Performance:
Max Speed: 555 Kp/h
Range 4600 Km

Armament:
This aircraft could carry a combination of Bombs, torpedoes, rockets and mines (3629kg)
This particular models had 2x 12.7 Mg in a top turret

SP-2E

Similar performance compared to the SP-2H
General characteristics:
Crew: 9
Dimensions:
Length: 27,94 m
Wingspan: 31,65 m
Height: 8,94 m
Wing surface: 92,9 mts2
PowerPlant: 2x Wright Cyclone R-3350-32W (3.700 hp each) and 2x White Westinghouse J34-WE-34 de 15KN of thrust each
Empty weight: 22.650 Kg
Max takeoff Weight: 35.240 Kg
Performance:
Max speed: 586 Kp/h
Cruise speed: 340 Kp/h
Range: 3540 Km
Service ceiling: 6827 m

Armament:
Up to 3629 Kg of weapons in the internal bomb bay and up to 907 Kg in Sub-wing supports
This aircraft could carry Mk44 torpedoes, depth charges, magnetic mines, regular 90 Kg or 125 Kg bombs and 70mm rockets

SP-2H

General characteristics:
Crew: 9
Dimensions:
Length: 27,94 m
Wingspan: 31,65 m
Height: 8,94 m
Wing surface: 92,9 mts2
PowerPlant: 2x Wright Cyclone R-3350-32W (3.700 hp each) and 2x White Westinghouse J34-WE-34 de 15KN of thrust each
Empty weight: 22.650 Kg
Max takeoff Weight: 35.240 Kg
Performance:
Max speed: 586 Kp/h
Cruise speed: 333 Kp/h
Range: 3540 Km
Service ceiling: 6827 m

Armament:
Up to 3629 Kg of weapons in the internal bomb bay and up to 907 Kg in Sub-wing supports
This aircraft could carry Mk44 torpedoes, depth charges, magnetic mines, regular 90 Kg or 125 Kg bombs and 70mm rockets

S-2A & S-2E (4.7)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 22.12 meters
length 13.26 meters
height 5.07 meters
surface alar 46.08 m2
Power Plant: 2 Wright R-1820-82WA radial motors of 1525 hp each
Weight: empty 8,500kg / maximum take-off 13,220kg
Performance:
Maximum speed 430 kph
Range 2,090 km
service ceiling 6,700 meters.

Armament:
up to 2,200 kg of weapons transported in an internal bomb-bay and in sub-wing supports, bombs, rockets, depth charges, mines or torpedoes MK.41 / .43 / .44 / .46

S-2T (4.7 or 5.0)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 22.12 meters
length 13.26 meters
height 5.07 meters
Wing surface: 46.08 m2
Power Plant: 2 x Garrett TPE331-1-AW turboprops, 1,650 hp (1230 kW)
Weight: empty 8,500kg / maximum take-off 13,720kg
Performance:
Maximum speed 450 kph
Range 2,090 km
service ceiling 6,700 meters.

Armament:
Up to 2,700 kg of weapons transported in an internal bomb-bay and in sub-wing supports, bombs, rockets, depth charges, mines or torpedoes MK.41 / .43 / .44 / .46

RANK IV

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I.Ae.30 (5.7)

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General Characteristics:
Crew: 1
Length: 11,52 m
Wingspan: 15,00 m
height: 5,16 m
Wing surface: 35,32 m²
Empty weight: 6.208 kg
loaded weight: 7.600 kg
Powerplant: 2× Rolls-Royce Merlin 604
Power: 1 324 kW (1 775 HP; 1 800 CV) (each)
Performance:
Max Speed: 740 km/h (460 MPH; 400 kt) at 6.400
Cruise Speed: 500 km/h (311 MPH; 270 kt)
Range: 2.700 km
Service ceiling: 7 998 m (26 240 ft)

Armament
6×Oerlikon 20 mm
1x 250 kg bomb
10x Rockets under the wings

Morane Saulnier 760 Paris (5.7)

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General Characteristics:
Crew: 2
Length: 10,22 m
Wingspan: 10,15 m
height: 2,6 m
Wing surface: 18 m²
Empty weight: 1945 kg
loaded weight: 3500 kg
Powerplant: 2× Turbomeca Marbore II
Power: 400kg of thrust each
Performance:
Max Speed: 650 km/h over sea level
Range: 2.700 km
Service ceiling: 11000 m (26 240 ft)
Climb rate 11.50 m/s

Armament:
x4 7.62 Mgs in wing pods
x6 Matra T.10 Rockets
x6 50Kg or x2/4 100kg bombs

F4U-5/5N/5NL (6.0)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 12.50 meters
length 10.85 meters
height 4.50 meters
Wing surface 29.17 m2
Power Plant: A Pratt & Whitney R-2800-32W Double Wasp radial engine of 2300 hp power, Hamilton Standard four-stage metal propeller with variable pitch.
Weight: maximum take-off 5950 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 680 Kph
Range 1,700 km
autonomy 2 hours 30 minutes,
service ceiling 11,200 meters.

Armament:
x4 20 mm Browning M2 guns and up to 910 kg of bombs or 127 mm rockets
If you ask ¿why there are 3 Different F4U-5s in the tree? the answer is F4U-5 was just the regular Fighter, F4U-5N was the night fighter version with radar, and F4U-5NL had reworked flying surfaces so it would handle better + the radar.

Lancaster B Mk.1 (5.3)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
wingspan 31.09 meters
length 21.18 meters
height 6.10 meters
Wing surface 120.49 m2
Power Plant: 4 linear motors Rolls-Royce Merlin DE 1.640 HP each
Weight: empty 16,738kg, maximum take-off 31,715kg
Performance:
maximum speed 462 Kph at 3,505 meters,
cruise speed 338 Kph at 6,100 meters,
service ceiling 7,468 meters

Armament:
x8 7.7mm Vickers machine guns (4 in the tail turret, 2 in the front, 2 in the dorsal) and up to 9,979 kg of bombs, this aircraft will receive the PAT-1 Guided bomb.

Lincoln B Mk.2 (6.0)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
wingspan 36.58 meters
length 23.86 meters
height 5.27 meters
Wing surface 132.01 m2
Power Plant: 4 Rolls-Royce Merlin 85V 1,750 Hp c / u linear motors
Weight: empty 19.686kg, maximum takeoff 37.273kg
Performance:
maximum speed 475 Kph at 5640 m,
cruise Speed 346 Kph at 6,100 m,
service ceiling 9,245 m,
ascent speed 245 m / min (4m/s)

Armament:
x2 Hispano Mk.V cannons and 4 12.7 Mgs in doble turrets and up to 9,979 kg of bombs

AX-02 (5.3)

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This was the Pre series/Prototype of the Ia.58A, it was equipped with less powerful American engines and it has a limited payload compared to is predecessors

Ia.58A & Ia.58D (5.7)

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General characteristics
Crew: 2 × pilots.
Length: 14.5 m
Wingspan: 14.3 m
Height: 5.4 m
Wing area: 30.3 m²
Empty weight: 4,000 kg
Loaded weight: 6 800 kg
Maximum takeoff weight: 6,800 kg
Power plant: 2 × Turbomeca Astazou XVI-G turboprop.
Power: 713 kW (956 HP; 969 HP) each.
Internal fuel capacity: 1 300 L
Performance:
Maximum speed (Vno): 580 Kph (358 MPH; 311 kt)
Never Exceeded speed: 780 Kph
Cruising speed (Vc): 530 km / h (329 MPH; 286 kt)
Range: 700 km (378 nmi; 435 mi)
Flight ceiling: 10,000 m (32,808 ft)
Climb rate: 18 m / s (3 543 ft / min)

Armament:
Machine guns: 4 × FN-Browning M2-30 of 7.62 mm with 900 ammunition each.
Cannons: 2 × RSA-804 of 20 mm with 270 ammunition each

4 Pylons 2 in the wings and 2 under the fuselage, this could carry a combination of general Purpose Bombs (125kg bombs or 250kg ones), unguided rockets and Martin Pescador Guided Missiles (Bullpups) rockets and Grenade Launchers or a Mk13 torpedo.(tested) with a max capacity of 1500kg
Rockets: LAU-61 / A containers with 19 × 70 mm FFAR rockets or Matra SNEBS


The D variant was a Modernization of A series, that improved the avionics and more modern instruments, This could Give the players more modern armament options.

Ia.66 (6.3)

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General characteristics
Crew: 2 × pilots.
Length: 14.5 m
Wingspan: 14.3 m
Height: 5.4 m
Wing area: 30.3 m²
Empty weight: 4,000 kg
Loaded weight: 6 800 kg
Maximum takeoff weight: 6,800 kg
Power plant: 2 × Turbomeca Astazou XVI-G turboprop.
Power: 713 kW (956 HP; 969 HP) each.
Internal fuel capacity: 1 300 L
Performance:
Maximum speed (Vno): 600 Kph (358 MPH; 311 kt)

Never exceeded speed: 780 Kph
Cruising speed (Vc): 560 km / h (329 MPH; 286 kt)
Range: 700 km (378 nmi; 435 mi)
Flight ceiling: 10,000 m (32,808 ft)
Climb rate: 20 m / s (3 543 ft / min)
Armament:
Machine guns: 4 × FN-Browning M2-30 of 7.62 mm with 900 ammunition each.
Cannons: 2 × RSA-804 of 20 mm with 270 ammunition each

4 Pylons 2 in the wings and 2 under the fuselage, this could carry a combination of general Purpose Bombs (125kg bombs or 250kg ones), unguided rockets and Grenade Launchers, max capacity of 1500kg
Rockets: LAU-61 / A containers with 19 × 70 mm FFAR rockets or Matra SNEBS

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I.Ae.27 (6.3)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 11.3 meters
length 9.7 meters
height 3.96 meters
Wing surface 19.8 m2
Power Plant: x1 Rolls-Royce Derwent V Turbojet
Weight: empty 2358 kg, maximum take-off 3600 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 720 Kph
cruising speed 600 Kph
service ceiling 15,500 meters

Armament:
x2 or x4 20mm Hispano-Suiza Mk.5 cannons (planned)

Meteor Mk.III (7.0)

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Bought by Argentina, used only the Uk with Argentine serials (from I-007 to I-012)
already in game

Meteor Mk.IV (8.0) (I, C and Hybrid)

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We will have 3 versions of the Mk.IV, a pure interceptor “I”, a fighter bomber “C” Indicated on the serial of the aircraft and lastly a lower BR Hybrid version.

Initially the Glosters lacked in terms of externally mounted armament (only bombs as far as im concerned)

The later units made use of rockets and bombs while changing the livery for a more proper camo of the time.


Lastly the Hybrid is a case that affected only a few Of the Mk.IVs, where their wings were replaced with Mk.III wings (similar to the example that’s already in game in 7.7)

General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 11.3 meters
length 12.49 meters
height 3.96 meters
Wing surface 34.7 m2
Power Plant: 2 Rolls-Royce Derwent V Turbojet
Weight: empty 5,088 kg, maximum take-off 8,000 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 940 Kph
cruising speed 800 Kph
landing speed 200 Kph
service ceiling 14,150 meters,
climb rate: 31 m/s

Armament:
x4 Hispano-Suiza 20mm cannons
T-10 Rockets and bombs (C variant only)

I.Ae.33 (8.3)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan: 10.60 meters
length: 11.68 meters
height: 3.50 meters
Wing surface: 25.10 m2
Power Plant: A Rolls-Royce Nene II turbojet with 2267 kg of thrust
Weight: empty 3,600 kg, maximum take-off 5,550 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 1080 Kph
cruise speed 960 Kph
Range 2030 km
service ceiling 13,500 meters

Armament:
x4 20mm Hispano-Suiza MK5 guns

MB.326 (7.7)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
wingspan with the fuel tanks on the wingtips: 10.85 meters,
length 10.67 meters,
height 3.72 meters,
Wing surface area 19.35 m2
Power Plant: A Rolls-Royce Viper 20 MK.540 turbojet with 1547 kg of thrust
Weights: empty 2,685 kg, maximum take-off 5,216 kg (with armament)
Performance:
maximum speed 867 Kph
Range 1,850 km
Climb speed with armament, 945 m / min (15.75 m/s)
service ceiling (clean) 14,325 mts

Armament:
Up to 1,814 kg of weapons suspended in 6 sub-wing supports. In the Argentine Navy, pods with 12.7 mm machine guns or rocket pods LAU-10 / LAU-32 / MATRA 122 / LACO 19 rockets or MK.81 / MK.82 / AN M30 bombs / SAMPT + Martin Pescador Guided missiles

MB.339 (8.0)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
wingspan with the fuel tanks on the wingtips 10.86 meters
length 10.97 meters
height 3.99 meters
surface alar 19.30 m2
Power Plant: A Piaggio / Rolls-Royce Viper 632-43 turbojet of 1812 kg of thrust
Weights: empty 3,215 kg, maximum take-off 5,895 kg (with armament)
Performance:
maximum speed 971 Kph
range 2,110 km
Climb rate: 33.5 mts / sec
service ceiling (clean) 14,630 mts

Armament:
Up to 1,814 kg of weapons suspended in 6 sub-wing supports. (30mm or 12.7mm pods, bombs, rockets, etc.)

F9F-2B (8.3)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 11.60 meters
length 11.30 meters
height 3.80 meters
Wing surface area 23 m2
Power Plant: 1 Pratt & Whitney J42-P-6 / -8 turbojet with 26.5 KN thrust
Weight: empty 4,220 kg, maximum take-off 7,462 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 925 Kph
reach 2,100 km
service ceiling 13,600 meters,
climbing speed 26.1 m/s

Armament:
x4 M2 20 mm guns with 190 shots per Gun and up to 907 kg of bombs in sub-wing supports or 127 mm rockets

Canberra Mk.2 & T.4 (7.7)

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2 versions of the Canberra a regular Mk.2 (we have in game) and a T.4, even that is a trainer version of the other aircraft, it saw combat and it can be armed with the same armament the regular one carried.


The main difference is the plexiglass nose

General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
wingspan 19.50 meters
length 19.65 meters
height 4.77 meters
Wing surface 89.19 m2
Power Plant: 2 Rolls-Royce Avon 101 MK.1 turbojet with 5900 kg of thrust each
Weight: empty 10,485 kg, maximum take-off 21,790 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 925 Kph at 10,500 meters,
maximum at sea level 830 Kph
service ceiling 14,000 meters

Armament:
Up to 3,630 kg of bombs + Matra SNEBs rocket pods under the wings

Ia.58C (7.7 or 8.0)

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This was an upgrade to the regular Ia.58A where the second seat was removed, a 30mm cannon was fitted and it also received Martin Pescador missiles (Bullpups) and Matra Magic 550s performance go this plane should be similar to the regular Ia.58

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F-86 F30/F40 (9.0 & 9.3)

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2 Versions of this aircraft are offered in the TT, Early and late, both are the same aircraft, but, the late one has access to Shafrir 2 missiles and a different camo.

General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 11.3 meters
length 11.4 meters
height 4.5 meters
Wing surface 29.11 m2
Power Plant: A General Electric J47-GE-27 turbojet of 2685 kg of thrust (26.3 KN)
Weight: empty 5,046 kg, maximum take-off 8,234 kg, JP-4 fuel, 1650 liters and externally, two tanks with a total of 760 additional liters
Performance:
maximum speed 1106 km / h at 6446 m altitude
Range 2454 km
service ceiling 15,100 meters
Climb rate 45.72 m / sec

Armament:
x6 12.7 mm Browning M2 machine guns with 1602 shots in total and up to 2400 kg of bombs or rockets + 2 Shafrir air-air Missiles (late version only)

A-4P(B) & A-4C (8.0, 8.3 & 9.3)

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Here we have 2 Aircraft, an Attacker and a Fighter-bomber, the A-4P(B) differs from the A-4B in game since it doesn’t have missiles, gun-pods and its bombs may differ from the one game, in the other hand the A-4C has a more powerful engine, has 5 hardpoints instead of 3 and gets access to a wide variety of missiles (thing that the American C variant didn’t had).

A-4P(B) (early and late):

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Early

General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 8.38 meters
length 12.01 meters
height 4.57 meters
Power Plant: A Wright J65-W-16 turbojet
Weight: empty 4,148 kg
maximum take-off 10,205 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 1052 km / h,
service ceiling 8,750 mts,
ascent speed 9.65 mts / sec

Armament:
X2 guns of 20 mm MK.12 with 100 projectiles each and up to 2724 kg of weapons in 3 supports, two in the wings and one ventral, could carry bombs and rockets.

Late

General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 8.38 meters
length 12.01 meters
height 4.57 meters
Power Plant: A Wright J65-W-20 turbojet of 34.7 KN
Weight: empty 4,148 kg
maximum take-off 10,205 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 1052 km / h,
range 1,916 km
service ceiling 8,750 mts

Armament:
x2 guns of 20 mm MK.12 with 100 projectiles each (this could be replaced with 30mm DEFAs) and up to 2724 kg of weapons in 3 supports, two in the wings and one ventral, could carry bombs and rockets

A-4C:

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 8.38 meters
length 12.22 meters
height 4.57 meters
Power Plant: A Wright J65-W-20 turbojet of 34.7 KN
Weight: empty 4457 kg
maximum take-off 10251 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 1052 km / h,
service ceiling 13900 m
ascent speed 9.65 mts / sec

Armament:
x2 guns of 20 mm MK.12 with 100 projectiles each (this could be replaced with 30mm DEFAs) and up to 2724 kg of weapons in 5 supports, 4 in the wings and one ventral, could carry bombs MK.76, MK.77, MK.81, MK.82, MK.83, MK70, MK86,FAS-125,130,250 and 500kg Argentine made, launches LACO 7, LACO 9, LAU-10A, LAU-68/131, LAU-69A rockets, AIM-9 Sidewinder or Shafrir air-to-air missiles and Matra magic R550s

Countermeasures: RWR and flares (flares not confirmed)

F9F-8T (8.3)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 11.60 meters
length 13.54 meters
height 3.73 meters
Power Plant: 1 Pratt & Whitney J48-P8C turbojet with 3288 kg of thrust
Weights: empty 5,805 kg, maximum take-off 9,340 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 1296 Kph
maximum range 1,950 km
service ceiling 13,100 meters.

Armament:
x2 MK16 20 mm guns with 190 shots per Gun and up to 907 kg of bombs on sub-wing supports or 127 mm HVAR rockets

A-4Q Skyhawk (8.7)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan 8.38 meters
length 12.01 meters
height 4.57 meters
Power Plant: A Wright J65-W-20 turbojet of 34.7 KN
Weight: empty 4,600 kg, maximum take-off 10,200 kg
Performance:
maximum speed 1052 Kph,
range 1,916 km
service ceiling 8,750 mts,
Climb Rate: 9.65 mts / sec

Armament:
x2 guns of 20 mm MK.12 with 100 projectiles each and up to 2724 kg of weapons in 3 supports, two wings and one ventral, could carry bombs MK.76, MK.77, MK.81, MK.82, MK.83, MK70, MK86, launches LACO 7, LACO 9, LAU-10A, LAU-68/131, LAU-69A rockets, AIM-9B Sidewinder air-to-air missiles

A-4E Ayit (9.0)

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This examples were ex Israelis A-4Es sold to the Argentine Navy, painted under Argentine colors and flew with it, but the sale was vetoed by the US government, the A-4Es never arrived to Argentina, while other things like armament and system for its maintenance did arrive.

Similar to the one in the Israelis tree

Super Etendard (10.0)

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General characteristics:
Crew: 1
Dimensions:
Wingspan: 9.60m
Length: 14.31m.
Height: 3.85 m.
Weight: empty 6,300 kg, maximum 11,900 kg.
Engine: 1 Snecma Atar 8K-50 turbojet of 4,700 kg. of thrust.
Maximum speed: 1,180 km / h.
Climbrate:100 m/s

Armament:
x2 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons
x2 Matra R550 Magic missiles
x5 hardpoints for bombs or rockets

Ia.63 Pampa I (8.0)

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General Characteristics:

Crew: 2
Dimensions:
Length: 10.93 m
Wingspan: 9.69 m
Height: 4.29 m
Wing area: 15.63 m2
Empty weight: 2,821 kg
Max takeoff weight: 5,000 kg
Powerplant: Garrett TFE731-2-2N
Maximum speed: 819 km/h at 7,000 m
Cruise speed: 747 km/h 4,000 m
Range: 1,500 km
Service ceiling: 12,900 m
Rate of climb: 30.2 m/s

Armament
Guns: x1 30 mm (1.18 in) Defa-Giat 554 with 145 rounds of ammo.
5 Hardpoint for a combination of Bombs Rockets and Mg pods

Ia.63 Pampa II (II-40) (8.3)

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General Characteristics:
Crew: 2
Dimensions:
Length: 10.93 m
Wingspan: 9.69 m
Height: 4.29 m
Wing area: 15.63 m2
Empty weight: 2,821 kg
Max takeoff weight: 5,000 kg
Powerplant: 1 × Honeywell TFE731-40-2N turbofan engine,19,7 kN (3,500 lbf) thrust
Performance:
Never exceeded speed: 1000 km/h
Cruise speed: 780 km/h 4,000 m
Range: 1,500 km
Service ceiling: 12,900 m

Armament
Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.18 in) Defa-Giat 554 with 145 rounds of ammo.
5 Hardpoint for a combination of Bombs Rockets and Mg pods

A-4AR (10.0)

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General Characteristics:
Crew: 1
Dimensions:
Length: 12,8 m
Height: 4,7 m
Wingspan: 8,2 m
Wing Surface: 79,2 m²
Weight:
Empty: 4717 Kg
Loaded Weight: 6396 Kg
Max Takeoff : 11113 Kg
Powerplant: x1Pratt & Whitney J52-P408A.
Power: 49,8 kN
Performance:
Never Exceeded Speed: 1150 Km/h
Cruise speed: 950 Km/h
Range: 3220 Km
Service Ceiling: 12880 m
Climb rate: 42 m/s

Armament:
Cannons: x2 20mm Colt Mk.12 (200 RPG)
5 hardpoints (4170 Kg max) for a combination of:
Bombs: BK-BR PG 125 kg, BK-BR PG 250 kg, Mark 81, Mark 82, Mark 83, Mark 84 + parachute bombs
Missiles: 2 AIM-9L/M
Countermeasures: RWR, Chaff and Flares

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Mirage IIICJ “Shahak”

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General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 15.03 m (49 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 8.22 m (27 ft 0 in)
Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 34.85 m2 (375.1 sq ft)
Empty weight: 7,050 kg (15,543 lb)
Gross weight: 9,600 kg (21,164 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 13,700 kg (30,203 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × SNECMA Atar 09C afterburning turbojet engine, 41.97 kN (9,440 lbf) thrust dry, 60.8 kN (13,700 lbf) with afterburner
Performance
Maximum speed: 2,350 km/h (1,460 mph, 1,270 kn) at 12,000 m (39,000 ft)
Maximum speed: Mach 2.2
Combat range: 1,200 km (750 mi, 650 nmi)
Ferry range: 3,335 km (2,072 mi, 1,801 nmi)
Service ceiling: 17,000 m (56,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 83 m/s (16,400 ft/min)

Armament
Guns: 2× 30 mm (1.181 in) DEFA 552 cannon with 125 rounds per gun
Missiles:
2× Shafrir 2 AAMs
2x Matra R.550 Magic AAMs + 1× Matra R.530 AAM
Bombs: 4,000 kg (8,800 lb) of payload on five external hardpoints

Avionics
Thomson-CSF Cyrano II radar; Marconi continuous-wave Doppler navigation radar

Mirage IIIEA and Modification(10.7 or 11.0)

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General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 15.03 m (49 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 8.22 m (27 ft 0 in)
Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 34.85 m2 (375.1 sq ft)
Empty weight: 7,050 kg (15,543 lb)
Gross weight: 9,600 kg (21,164 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 13,700 kg (30,203 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × SNECMA Atar 09C afterburning turbojet engine, 41.97 kN (9,440 lbf) thrust dry, 60.8 kN (13,700 lbf) with afterburner

Performance
Maximum speed: 2,350 km/h (1,460 mph, 1,270 kn) at 12,000 m (39,000 ft)
Maximum speed: Mach 2.2
Combat range: 1,200 km (750 mi, 650 nmi)
Ferry range: 3,335 km (2,072 mi, 1,801 nmi)
Service ceiling: 17,000 m (56,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 83 m/s (16,400 ft/min)

Armament
Guns: 2× 30 mm (1.181 in) DEFA 552 cannon with 125 rounds per gun
Missiles:
2x Matra R.550 Magic AAMs + 1× Matra R.530 AAM
Bombs: 4,000 kg (8,800 lb) of payload on five external hardpoints
Rockets: SNEB, FFAR

Avionics
Thomson-CSF Cyrano II radar; Marconi continuous-wave Doppler navigation radar

MIIIEA “mod”

A Later modification will fit AIM-9Ms on this aircraft, this will be a different aircraft since it will increase the Br drastically for the Mirage III

Super Etendard Modernise (10.3 or 10.7)

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An upgraded version of the Super Etendard, improving its radar, receiving RWR and giving it flares.

Most of its armament is the same that its predecessor used (there might be some exceptions) + RWR and Flares

M-5 Dagger & Finger (ex-Nesher) (10.3 & 10.7)

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General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Wingspan: 8.22 meters
Length: 15.55 meters
Height: 4.25 meters
Wing Surface: 46.08 m2
Power Plant: a SNECMA Atar 9C-5 turbojet with 6400 kg of thrust with afterburner (60.8KN)
Weight: empty 6,570 kg, maximum take-off 13,500 kg
Performance:
maximum speed Mach 2.1 (2,350 km / h),
cruising speed 955 km / h,
maximum range 4,000 km,
service ceiling 17,000 meters.

Armament:
x2 30 mm DEFA guns
x2 Shafrir Missiles or up to 4200 kg of weapons in 6 underwing pylons

An upgraded Dagger to the “Finger standard” included a nosecone from the Kfir to admit more modern systems (radar, gps, ect and AIM-9L)

Mirage VP & VP Mara (10.7)

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Mirage VP on the top and VP Mara on the bottom

This aircraft had similar performance, but the difference is that the Mara was an upgraded version of the VP (including more flares, RWR and access to the AIM-9L)

General Characteristics:
Dimensions:
Length: 8,22 m
Wingspan: 8,22 m
Height: 4,5 m
Wing surface: 35 m
Empty weight: 7150 Kg
Max Take off Weight 13700 Kg
PowerPlant: 1SNECMA Atar 9C de 60,80 KN with afterburner or 41.97KN Without it
Performance:
Max speed: 2350 Km/h (Mach 2.2) at 12000 m
Cruise speed: 956 Km/h
Max Range: 4000 Km
Service Ceiling: 18000 m
Climb rate: 186 m/s

Armament:
x2 30mm DEFA 552, up to 4000 Kg of suspended armament in 5 hard points (bombs, rockets and missiles)

Countermeasures: Flares and RWR ( RWR Mara only)

PREMIUM/EVENT AIRCRAFT

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Rank I

JRF Goose: Event (1.0)

FMA.21 Premium (1.3)

Dornier J Wal Event (1.0)

Supermarine Southampton Gift (1.0)

PBY-5A Catalina Premium (1.7)

Martin 139 WAN Premium 1.3

Martin 139 WAN (H) Event 1.3

Uruguayan O2SU-3 Premium/gift 1.0

J2F-5 Duck Premium/Gift 1.3

Rank II

Hurricane IID (164 Squadron “Firmes Volamos”)(2.0) Premium

Hurricane IV (164 Squadron “Firmes Volamos”) (2.0) Premium
(in game)

H-75H (2.0/2.3) Premium

Rank III

Spitfire VA (164 Squadron “Firmes Volamos”) Event

Spitfire VB (164 Squadron “Firmes Volamos”) Premium
^Already in game

T-28S Uruguayan Air Force (donated by Argentina) Premium (3.7)

Uruguayan S-2 Tracker (4.7) Premium

Rank IV

B-24 “El RompeCulos” Premium (5.7)

Ia.58 Sri Lankan Air Force Event (5.7)

Ia.58 Colombian Air force Event (5.7)

Ia.58A Pre-Serie Event/Premium (5.7)

Ia.58 Uruguayan Air Force Premium (5.7)

Ia.58B Premium (6.0)

C-130 T-68 Premium/ Event (5.7)

FMA/M.S 760 Paris (late) Premium/Event (6.0)

Uruguayan F-51D Premium (4.3/5.0)

Rank V

AT-26 Xavante Premium (7.7)

Canberra Mk.2 “Pelicano” Premium (7.7)

F-86 “Cruz del sur” Premium (8.7)

I.Ae.33 Prototype Premium (8.3)

Uruguayan T-33 Squadron Vehicle (7.0)

Uruguayan F-80C Premium (7.7)

Rank VI

Pampa 2000 Premium/event (8.3)

A-4P(B) “Tordillo” Event (8.3)

A-37 (Fuerza Aérea Uruguaya/Uruguayan Air Force) Premium (8.3)

Pay in mind…
This being a suggestion ported from the old server, there might be some inaccuracies, thing that will eventually be fixed with more research/better info, etc. Things in this suggestion might not be final.

Sources:

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Books/Magazines:
FMA Crónicas y testimonios
ARES Magazine
AeroEspacio Magazine
Jane’s all the worlds aircraft (multiple issues)
FMA Manuals (for Pucara and Pampa)
CPIAyE- Numero 17
DAGGER & FINGER en Argentina - Avialatina
IAI Dagger- Jorge Nuñez Padin
Curtiss Hawk Serie Fuerza Aérea Argentina Nuñez Padin.
ALAS Numero 4 “A-4 Skyhawk”

Sites:
INDICE
http://www.histarmar.com.ar/index.htm
Lista de foros | Zona Militar
http://historiasdeaviones.blogspot.com
http://fdra-aereo.blogspot.com
https://www.pucara.org/
https://avionesenargentina.com/

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Looks fun! Could be incorporated into a larger South American/LatAm tree. +1

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Remove all the copy paste stuff and things that Should go to the US/UK trees that isn’t already there and suddenly we have a very nice sub tree for Germany seeing as we already have several Argentine vehicles there

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Germany needs no sub-tree

We also don’t need new trees that are only 10% original stuff

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That’s not what I said, is it now?

Well no, and I fully agree that Germany doesn’t need a subtree. But, I don’t see any other good way to add a nation that already has a, granted minor, presence in the game within the german trees. It’s not coming from a stand point of Germany suffers, but rather a how do we best get this very small nation represented properly in game without the need to have the majority of the tree be copy pasted stuff

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That’s a notion I can agree with.
Personally I’d like to see two Latin American trees divided by some sort of measure.
Something that has Argentina and Brazil as hosts of their own trees and implementing other LATAM vehicles in said trees.
Haven’t quite worked out how I’d like to split them, but that’s my idea since I don’t really like the idea of a complete mash of LATAM.

That would be the ideal, but even a complete mash of them there’d still be even more copy paste than there is in China or Isreal, at least to my knowledge. And the implementation of The Isreali tree has kinda gone to show adding half trees like that doesn’t work particularly well. So I’d rather have them added as sub trees to some of the bigger nations they had ties to one way or another

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For air I’d certainly agree, arguably the air of such trees would be even worse than Israel.
But ground would be quite interesting throughout rank I-VIII and there would be one or two completely unique helicopters available.
Not quite sure on naval uniqueness, I’m not so well versed.

Argentina is one of the nations with the most unique aircraft and even then they’d struggle to complete a single line let alone a whole tree without copy paste of primarily US and UK stuff. For ground we have all the TAMSE vehicle variants as well as a few intersting and unique modifications to American stuff, still not enough to actually fill out an entire line though. As for naval what I can find in a quick search there’s a total of 7 ships, only two of them would be going in bluewater currently as the rest are Corvettes and Frigates (or just aircraft carriers and subs but we don’t have anything like that yet so not counting those) And both the Bluewater vessels are just US ships in argentine service

I disagree that it is one of the nations with the most unique aircraft remaining, as it does not compare favourably to the likes of Czechoslovakia, the Netherlands, Poland, Romania and Yugoslavia. One could even argue Switzerland, but that depends on who you ask.

Oh I meant specifically for South and Latin America. We have a whole Benelux tree that’s posssible with just vehicles or modifications from those 3 countries

Ah, I misunderstood what you meant then.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens to LATAM vehicles in the future, they are ridiculously underrepresented in the game as things stand…

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Cannot have enough A-4s, especially the Argentine ones, +1

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A-4s will never be enough!

Latin America needs to be represented in this game, we have a huge number of players.

+1 for an Argentine or Latin American tree.

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Might i suggest the Ae.Mo 1 for tank 1
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I would at the very least like to see the Pulqui II added to Germany, Pulqui I to France and Ñancú to Italy due to their designers origins. They are all very capable, original designs which perfectly fit the time of their design. Perfect premium or squadron vehicle material if they don’t get their own tree.

Ive consider it, but isnt a bit weak for the game?

Military equipment (currently ground) has already been presented in Germany

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