Are the Abrams variants useless?

Italy, by far… and even if the Arietes got fixed in every way they possibly could, not much would really change.

The only thing that may be able to help Italy is Leopard 2A7HU, but even then, it’s just one tank. Fixed Arietes + fixed WAR kits for them (at least for Ariete, Ariete AMV and a future C2 Ariete) would make them be able to withstand 3BM60 on the turret cheeks, so that would also help a bit to some degree, but… that would be it.

gaijin could at least downtier the arietes to like 11.0 where they belong but they don’t even do that

Or increase their rate of fire, as they did with the Abrams (along with all the armor fixes that would make them capable of withstanding 3BM60 on their cheeks with WAR kit).

Downtiering them to 11.0 wouldn’t do much either, since they would just keep being uptiered to 11.7 anyway hahah

there are a lot of 11.0 prems now and 2-3 more coming in the next patch. I think it has a good matchmaker

Italy itself also planning to buy Leopard2A8, potantiel Ariete with Centauro B2 turret and Centauro 2 will boost their top tier line-up quite well.

Not to mention Hungary is planning to order KF51 which is another bonus.

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Plans can be changed though.

I dont think that will happen.

Negotiations are in last phase and there is a high chance that purchases will be completed this year.

Maybe yes, maybe no, we should wait and see. For example, previous year Romania wanted to buy Abrams, but now is looking for other options, such as K-2. I won’t be so sure about plans.

i know gaijin was looking into the armor and also spall liners for the ariete

It would allow the arietes do fight T-72AV TURMS-T again which would already be a massive improvement

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Trust me,here the negotiations are considered done. There are no available options,since the C2 Ariete program has the funds for only a portion of the 200 C1 Ariete in service.

The Leclerc?the actual government is not too sympathetic with the French,so it is not an option

The Abrams?too expensive for us

The Challenger? We’re not interested,MAYBE the Challenger 3 but that tank still needs to be put into service in the UK.

The only available option is the Leopard 2,so the plans are signed.

Italy is by far the worse, improve like old days 900mm glass cannon.

Of course a good spall damage should be done

Lol. Lmao even. The USA made sure to make its vehicles as survivable as possible because they knew that if war happened between them and a country like Russia that they would be at a disadvantage in terms of personnel.

I have no idea what you are even responding to 3 months later.If this is your first post it’s not a good start.