Are jet energy fighters (F-5, Hunters) OP?

MB, there’s too many slightly different Aim-9Js to keep track of. Certainly doesn’t help that Germany gave their own names to their imported missiles.

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Wait, should a Swiss plane have German designations?

I can’t think of a single non-afterburning plane that outruns it. Not to mention, max speed isn’t all that matters. Energy retention contributes a ton aswell.

It has undodgable missiles that will see plenty of flareless planes. That’s pretty good.

Not from my experience. I typically avoid dogfighting, however if there’s only a few enemies left, or an enemy is very far from his team, I feel very confident in my Hunter’s turning ability.

Their damage is great, and their spread makes them extremely deadly in a head-on. The only downside is low muzzle velocity which isn’t the worst downside in the world.

There lots of flareless planes and undodgable missiles around that BR, and Harriers fly like doodoo.

Having more flares doesn’t matter much when you already have enough.

You can’t seriously believe that the F-104 isn’t one of the worst planes in Warthunder.

Before the nerf, sure it was an extremely annoying gimmick to fight, but now it is absolute worthless crap.

The hunters arent op (most of them) If its got countermeasures is a bit undiertiered in comparison to the rest.

the F5 is blatantly overpowered for the 11.0 region, too little drag and too tight turns while also being too cold to lock. meanwhile it fights harriers and the flying dumpster that is the phantoms.

F-5 yes, Hunter, no.

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CBA to list all nations but both the Harrier and Buc S2 leave the Hunter F6 (99.99% the same FM as the Hunter F58) in their dust within the British TT and Im sure those arent the only ones.

Aim-9Ps are okay, but they arent gunna be even close to the SRAAMs coming next major on the Hunter F6, Nor would I consider them much better than the Aim-9Gs found on most of the Harriers at 9.7. Good sure, but nothing special either,

Compared to say the guns on the F-5s. They are much harder to aim>

Sure, but singling out the Hunter F58 as being special for having CMs at 10.0 is a bit wierd.

The F-104S ASA at 12.0, sure. but the 9.3 ones that are a total menace and probably should be much higher than 9.3… No

If we exclude things like A-10s and SU-25, non-afterburning jets are becoming less common at 9.7, moreso at 10.0. I can think of only early harriers but these outaccelerate Hunter by significant margin and for top speed theres difference of like 18km/h in favor of hunter.

Id have to argue that they have different use cases. The sidewinder is the “no you are not extending to try and run away missile” when the SRAAM is the “i can beat you in the dogfight but i dont wish to waste your time”

At least thats how i use 9E on the FGA9

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True, though with the new SRAAMs… They’ll have more range than the Aim-9Es do. Never used Aim-9Ps, but I cant imagine they are far off?

Though also not necessarily special to the Hunter F58. With both Magic 1s on the supersonic Mirages at 10.0 and Aim-9Gs on the Harriers at 9.7 (and even the Jag)

Theyre just reskined Js. So double the peak G pull of E.

If you played the Harrier GR.3 which I assume you did, they roughly the same but with less range.

Thanks, yeah, that was largely what I was thinking.

Gs but a bit weaker

Hunter out accelerates Harriers at high speed due to the harrier’s thrust curve, and hunters also have a slightly higher max speed.

Aim-9Js are something between an Aim-9D and an Aim-9G as far as manueverability goes.

Although Aim-9Gs are objectively better, the Hunter is a better launch platform than the Harrier.

I agree. Aim-9Js are kind of a screw you in particular to flareless super sonics.

We dont know if they will have the same range or more reliably yet, they were still a big wonky on dev and they may be very different again

9E or P is a faster missile still so will still have a more clean cut finish for people trying to run

good lord and i thought the E was good, yet theres P on the same airframe with countermeasures AT THE SAME BR?!?!?!

Both statements are incorrect.

Harriers reach a higher top speed than the Hunters

Harriers greatly out accelerate the Hunter at any speed.

Id disagree in almost all respects.

oh it’s that pangolin fan again?>

No. Hunter F58 SQV with 9Ps is 10.0. The TT Hunter F58 has Aim-9Es iirc

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F.58 has been sitting at 10.0 for a while now but before that, yeah.

Uhhhhh

ye

my bad

ONLY 0.3 HIGHER?!?!?!?!?

0.7 higher.

FGA9 is 9.3

Hunter F58 is 10.0 (in RB)

They are somehow the same BR in SB though

i always use the FGA9 at 9.7 because it probs should be there + for hunter squads so i genuinley forgot its actually 9.3

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Harrier with WEP or Harrier without overheating?

. . . huh?

Aim-9Gs are objectively better than Aim-9Js. They have longer burn time, higher G pull, and wider launch range.

Aim-9Js have higher G pull than 9D and an uncaged seeker.

Aim-9J objectively has better manueverability than 9D, but worse than 9G.