Iirc C-7 got improved HOBS and that was pre-GPS
So that might have been just improvements to the IOG then.
improved hobs means nothing as long as you cant prove what was improved for ingame
like i can tell you that the C-8 is an F3R of the C-7, but there is nothing you can do with this info
and that they replaced the actuator section of later models but it changes nothing
Then anything with IOG + datalink could be fired outside of its gimbal limits such as AIM-7P and R-27R/ER?
Probably.
But not a lot has a radar with suffecient gimball limits (larger than the gimball limit on the seeker) to be relevant a lot of the time.
For example, nothing with Aim-7P, and only a few with R-27ER (Mig-29SMT and Su-30SM2 I think)
I’ll have to find out if AIM-9X Block 1 has IOG, if so then it is the clearest example that anything with IOG doesn’t mean it can be fired outside of gimbal limits.
I think a large part of the NATO playerbase wouldn’t be okay with R-27ER getting hobs capability so they can get smacked 50km away from a notching SM2 based on a maybe that it could operate like that.
Its not IOG alone. I accept that there might be limitations to what can be done by IOG alone, especially as distances increase significantly (though both ASRAAM and IRIS-T have documented HOBS capablity and neither have DL)
The question, and the only question relevant to this thread, is why cant Aim-120A, B and C5 be fired beyond the gimball limit of its seeker like many other Fox-3s can, especially on aircraft that can provide DL the entire time.
SARH are fundementally different and might have different restrictions. But ARH?
It just seems a bit weird.
Who knows, it seems though that materials have been passed to the devs that “improved HOBS” regarding AIM-120D means removed gimbal limits, and if that’s the case then there’s an uphill battle to prove that the previous AMRAAM variants should have the same benefits because now they’re operating on an understanding that primary sources basically states AIM-120C and before doesn’t have the same feature.
I got a question though…if the aim 120D and all other aim 120s have the same seeker in the game only difference being in gnss…could that not be a valid argument…its the same seeker just with gnss being the difference
Secondary source but:
Harrier: How to be a fighter pilot
Sea Harrier FA2 live fire training of an Aim-120B
Blue Vixen has a 140° FoR iirc, so that places the target outside of the AMRAAMs 110° FoR
Clearly states the exercise was to fire at a target within the FoV of the radar but not within the FoV of the seeker on the Aim-120B and it fired and flew towards the target just fine.
Which, come to think of it, is then a buff for every single aircraft in-game that using AMRAAM not just the Gripen and Typhoon, because even limited to radar FoR, it would still increase the amount of HOBS for them all.
I think this secondary source somewhat settles it, but probably wont be enough to prove it to Gaijin unfortunately
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R-77 is similar, launch limits are governed by host radar gimbal limits.
It’s why it has ±60/120 degrees a launch limit on mig-35, while it has a ±85/170 degrees launch limit on mig-29smt/kr (irl) because respectively the latter’s gimbal limits on their radar are larger.
Wouldn’t be surprised if this is a thing with all fox 3s.
Yeah, might even be a thing for all Fox-1s with DL as well potentially
With C-5’s now achieving greater AOA it wouldn’t be bad to be able to notch and fire in the Eurofighter.
Since it looks like Aim-120D’s aren’t an option for now, they could maybe review the C5 limits in relation to the radar gimbal.
By the source above, it would at least be Bs too (which in-game would include As)
And its not just the Gimballed radars that would benefit from it, everything has a radar FoR larger than the seeker FoR.
But yeah, its unfair that everyone else can do it, but not AMRAAM slingers because “reasons”
Now whether I would actually fire those kinds of HOBS shots Im not sure, still bleeds energy, and thats still basically the only notable advantage the AMRAAM still maintain. But should still be an option
While true, something like the gripen E or AESA Typhoons could still guide them in though, as opposed to only being able to fire them and then have no radar guidance for them.
Kinda like when you fire PL-12A’s in trk mem on the J-10C. (or 77-1 on su-30sm)
Oh definetly, still the strongest for the tactic. But even back in the CAPTOR-M days, Id fire straight and then drag the target to the edge of the radar scope, so I was more than half way there in-case I needed to fully notch. Aircraft that are slower getting into the notch could be pre-emptively in that position and fire, and then just finish notching if/when needed.
It would be a tactic Id do quite a bit in the FA2 and F3 Late if I could, for now, id be limited to only the Seekers FoV not the Radars
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Is there, by any chance, another similar source to the Harrier one you sent, since IIRC 2 secondaries are needed in a report.
Not that I have. Which is why I posted over on the Aim-120 Discussion thread too to see if anyone else had a similar secondary source.
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Hopefully something from the americans.
Or Flame’s magical archive
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