Arcade Battle should be changed to pure tank battles

[O_HOgameplay]

@Blitzkrieg#14

The problem is, the flybois know full well that as soon as there’s a tank only mode, a significant percentage of players would head to that and they’d be left with a) longer queue times, and b) much less slow moving ground based targets to pad their stats with.

Exactly.
And also, when they finally would get into a match, it would just transform into AIR mode in like 2-3 minutes. Every player, who has enough SP would hop into a plane, and kill all the remaining few ground vehicles. Those, who can’t get into a plane would just leave the match, and nobody would spawn in a tank a second time.

Gaijin knows this, and this is the main reason they won’t do anything.

@Blitzkrieg#14

The big question I’D like answered is, why can a player climb into a plane knowing there are ZERO consequences to how he plays it? For example, if players knew they’d lose a life and incur some kind of repair cost (the same way tank players do), they wouldn’t be ANYWHERE near as reckless in planes and consequently they’d be much less of a threat as pilots would realise there was a cost if they get killed. In fact, some players wouldn’t even USE planes.

Currently you can simply Kamikaze dive bomb anything you like to ensure your bombs or rockets are accurate knowing you have nothing to lose. Why?

Because teaching players how to play is hard, and time consuming. Not just that, but not every player wants to invest that effort. And if they are bad, they would just leave the game.
But, what if, Gaijin gives them something with which they are untouchable, and can destroy half the enemy team without any skill, knowledge, or effort? That would keep them playing, and even buy the premiums!

This is the exact same strategy used in other games too.
World of Tanks? Arty.
Armored Warfare? Arty.
Word of Warships? Aircraft carriers.
Battlefield games? Grenade spam, planes, mortars.

For years, in all of these games, players are rightfully complaining against these mechanics.
What is the response from the advocates of such mechanics? “Nu-uh bruv”. Or flase flagging here.

I am all for giving players these tools. Let them have it! But then also give an option to those players, that wants to use skill and game knowledge an option to say “i don’t want to deal with those”.

There are games, with mechanics hated by a large part of the community.
For example, griefing in games like Minecraft or Space Enginners. One part of the players hate it, and the other loves it.
What is the solution? Dedicated griefing and non griefing servers. You don’t like your base getting raided? No issue, play on non griefing servers. And a big issue is solved!

Of course with the CAS issue, it is different. CAS is so abusive and invading, that as i said, a CAS option would be unplayable next to a tank only option.
In that case, major changes would be needed in the CAS mode, and we all know Gaijin’s attitude when they have to put effort into something…

I see some options where a CAS mode would be viable, but still not balanced.
If Gaijin would make CAS balanced, and as much skill based as tanks, with the same chance of me fighting against a plane with my tank, as the plane has against my tank, i would have zero issues with it. But the problem is, it is impossible to get such a balance.

@FlyingDoctor

To be honest, it’s not that that drives this ‘want’… It’s the continued mentioning and dwelling on the fact that CAS even exists that people stop trying to defend themselves, call for the removal, quit early and decide that they’re so upset that they have to post about it, and that anyone who objects to it is a ‘flyboi’, or any insult imaginable, just because they object to it.

It is factually unfair.

@FlyingDoctor

The fact that when you tell people to use the features they have to defend themselves and there’s a subsection who proclaim that it’s pointless, and unable to be done, makes a new player think that is how it goes, and ignores all advice telling them to put their hands up, rather than have them down at thier sides when they’re being punched.

How do you defend yourself in a Tiger I against a PE-8 dropping a bomb from 3-4km away?
How do you defend yourself in a Sturer Emil against a plane with 50+ HVARS?
How do you defend yourself in any higher tier tank against a self guided ammo launched from outside any SPAA effective range by a helicopter that just popped up behind a hill, launched and went down behind said hill in 2 seconds?

@Blitzkrieg#14

The question is, given how often this issue has been brought up, and how many people have commented they’d love to see a mode like this, it’s clear there is quite a bit support for it.

From every poll it is 70%+.

@Blitzkrieg#14

What exactly would it hurt to at least give it a try?

Gaijin’s wallet.

@Blitzkrieg#14

As has been mentioned many times, people who like to play aircraft not only have the option to play Ground Battles where they can play against humans in tanks, they also have Air Only. Why can’t tank players have the same choice?

“BeCaUsE bAtTlEs In ReAl LiFe HaD pLaNeS bRuV.” (even tho it is not a realistic, nor a historically accurate, nor a simulator game)

@Blitzkrieg#14

After all, it may well bring a whole new bunch of players to the game and that could only be a good thing, no?

More CAS enyoers would leave than tankers comming back.

@FlyingDoctor

But how often is it by the same exact people spamming these threads in efforts to force it to be an issue so they can get the game changed to suit them…

There isn’t that much support for it as the agrieved are the ones that find their way here to vote, those who actually dgaf are literally not voting.

This is the same with the youtubers who make titles which encourage that certain subset of players.

Think about that… If there was that many of you, you’d have more than 1000 voters.

There are youtube polls with 10s of thousads of votes returning 70%+ in favour of TO, with yourubers that make content on both tanks AND planes (so they have audience in both camp).

[BleedingUranium]

@O_HOgameplay

This is the exact same strategy used in other games too.
World of Tanks? Arty.
Armored Warfare? Arty.
Word of Warships? Aircraft carriers.
Battlefield games? Grenade spam, planes, mortars.

An unironic “no items, fox only, final destination” argument. Remarkable.

[ZendikarHaven]

How do you defend yourself in a Tiger I against a PE-8 dropping a bomb from 3-4km away?

Doesnt happen in arcade.

How do you defend yourself in a Sturer Emil against a plane with 50+ HVARS?

Depends, but generally be very aware of the skies and keep cover between them and you.

How do you defend yourself in any higher tier tank against a self guided ammo launched from outside any SPAA effective range by a helicopter that just popped up behind a hill, launched and went down behind said hill in 2 seconds?

Generally helis are quite easy to avoid, in arcade planes are simply better.

[PANzer]

U know that Spaag are ingame. And also most of them can kill tanks too. On Arcade Wierbelwind or ZSU 57 are demons… I dont know Why so many people cry about only tanks gamemodes. Really-WT is combined arms game. I regret that AI infantry and Cannon were removed from game. I would enjoy if gajin add bigger maps like heli pve and big operations with tanks, cas, ships in one 64vs64 Players game… And to be onest if u are Such a tank lover why u esceaped from WOT? Let me answer: because now WOT is ruined because of hudge miserable mechanics applied to satisfy to Players ideas…

[O_HOgameplay]

@ZendikarHaven

Doesnt happen in arcade.

It was a single example. Bombers have huge bombs in AB too, and they can drop them from those distances i highlighted in my example (i have dont it too in AB).

@ZendikarHaven

Depends, but generally be very aware of the skies and keep cover between them and you.

How? Literally HOW? You aren’t safe even in a tunnel! And if you just use houses as a cover, they can just attack from above.

Also, “be very aware of the skies”, yeah, that is easily done in a bloody slow, big open top with no turret and no MG (not like a single low calibre MG would do much, but still).
Oh, and of course, CAS will have your name tag highlighted, and CAS players LOVE open tops.

@ZendikarHaven

Generally helis are quite easy to avoid, in arcade planes are simply better.

You can not if you are fighting and having to deal with other tanks.

@BleedingUranium

An unironic “no items, fox only, final destination” argument. Remarkable.

???

@PANzer

Really-WT is combined arms game.

It is NOT. This nonsense was debunked many times.

@PANzer

And to be onest if u are Such a tank lover why u esceaped from WOT?

Because not everyone likes certain games.
Plus WoT also has a similar thing, called “arty”. Same concept - give trash players an easy tool that requires zero skill and uncounterable most of the times.

[FlyingDoctor]

I don’t need 3 pages to explain that ‘unfair’ is a perceptual issue, and commonly caused by mindset…

The subsequent negative thoughts will make you lose because you get upset and tilted enough to make stupid and dumb decisions.

Does no-one see all those major league teams and coaches, not telling thier team that it’s bad, unfair and unable to be done before and during thier matches? Seems silly to not have this as a common comeback to your unfair/broken/remove/OP throwouts.

[O_HOgameplay]

@FlyingDoctor

I don’t need 3 pages to explain that ‘unfair’ is a perceptual issue, and commonly caused by mindset…

So a 60kg 16 year old in a boxing match against Mike Typson is actually fair, and the kid only loses because of his mindset?

@FlyingDoctor

Does no-one see all those major league teams and coaches, not telling thier team that it’s bad, unfair and unable to be done before and during thier matches? Seems silly to not have this as a common comeback to your unfair/broken/remove/OP throwouts.

Because those are scenarios with fair gameplay.

@FlyingDoctor

The subsequent negative thoughts will make you lose because you get upset and tilted enough to make stupid and dumb decisions.

So please answer these:

@O_HOgameplay

How do you defend yourself in a Tiger I against a PE-8 dropping a bomb from 3-4km away?
How do you defend yourself in a Sturer Emil against a plane with 50+ HVARS?
How do you defend yourself in any higher tier tank against a self guided ammo launched from outside any SPAA effective range by a helicopter that just popped up behind a hill, launched and went down behind said hill in 2 seconds?

[FlyingDoctor]

@O_HOgameplay

So a 60kg 16 year old in a boxing match against Mike Typson is actually fair, and the kid only loses because of his mindset?

That doesn’t happen and it’s plain reductio ad absurdium, as per your bad faith antics recently emboldened by your avoidance and ignorance.

@O_HOgameplay

Because those are scenarios with fair gameplay.

Nonsense… You’re avoiding the point entirely there… NO coach seeds the negative thoughts in thier teams… However here, it’s so common that it’s actually sickening… Sickening for the player who takes that tripe on board.

@O_HOgameplay

So please answer these:

You use the features that are available to you, you watch for the drop, and you move…

All your scenarios are pigeonholed to being victimhoods.

Sturer should be remaining as hidden as they can, and not moving or firing when the planes are coming through. I had an instance earlier on where I was M18, in the open behind a bank, there’s 4 others around me, they all got nailed because they were firing and moving, I sat back and didn’t get ripped.

Seriously, you are so caught up on the negative that you’re beyond jaded… In fact I’d suggest that because no-one has actually stopped you, that this pages upon pages of ‘’‘’‘rebutals’‘’’ are your go-to now after your statchecking phase.

Quite frankly, you’re beyond rescue, not that you wanted to be helped in the first instance. You’d rather spread disdain and anger at the ‘’‘enemy’‘’.

[BleedingUranium]

@O_HOgameplay

???

It’s a well known term/phase that exemplifies the certain parts of gaming communities that insist on removing all elements from a game until every single encounter is merely a 1v1 “duel at ten paces” sort of affair.

That is to say, turning every encounter into a 50/50 test of mechanical skill (the most boring type of skill) at the expense of all other types. (Edit: Your boxing match example fits right into this; it’s not an appropriate comparison.)

In reality, games designed with proper counters or rock-paper-scissors mechanics work far better. Everything is fair when the match starts, but “fairness” doesn’t mean every encounter with an enemy is supposed to be a 50/50 chance; sometimes you’re outplayed before a shot is even fired.

And being outplayed doesn’t inherently mean you did something wrong (though that’s often the case), it can simply mean the other player made better decisions.

[FlyingDoctor]

It’s messed up that I see teams more because I’m from a family who represented their country in major team sports, yet see so many people who aren’t of that calibre or even respect teams and players alike…

I think that’s why I detest ANYONE berating/blaming the enemy, or the game for thier trouble.

It’s like a rugby player blaming the ball for the loss, or the field being trash for them not doing as well as they did.

[O_HOgameplay]

@FlyingDoctor

That doesn’t happen and it’s plain reductio ad absurdium, as per your bad faith antics recently emboldened by your avoidance and ignorance.

It does not. The reason i used that example is because i wanted to make a real comparism about how strong CAS is against tanks.

@FlyingDoctor

Nonsense… You’re avoiding the point entirely there… NO coach seeds the negative thoughts in thier teams… However here, it’s so common that it’s actually sickening… Sickening for the player who takes that tripe on board.

So those competetive matches in games like CS:GOare not fair play? Some explanition needed.

And while it is likely true that coaches don’t say negative things, but positives to strengthen up their players, it will do nothing in an unfair situation.

You can be as positive as possible in a slow open top as you want, someone spamming multiple rockets at you will still kill you.

@FlyingDoctor

You use the features that are available to you, you watch for the drop, and you move…

While fighting other tanks? Or while repairing, crew replenishing? Or when you can’t move out of cover because you die to something else? Great!
Most of the time you can’t watch out for bombers.
Also good luck watching out players that drop bombs from low altitude or kamikaze into you.
And good luck against rockets/missiles that you can’t dodge.

@FlyingDoctor

Sturer should be remaining as hidden as they can, and not moving or firing when the planes are coming through. I had an instance earlier on where I was M18, in the open behind a bank, there’s 4 others around me, they all got nailed because they were firing and moving, I sat back and didn’t get ripped.

You forgot about the markers…

@FlyingDoctor

Seriously, you are so caught up on the negative that you’re beyond jaded… In fact I’d suggest that because no-one has actually stopped you, that this pages upon pages of ‘’‘’‘rebutals’‘’’ are your go-to now after your statchecking phase.

DAFUQ?

@FlyingDoctor

Quite frankly, you’re beyond rescue, not that you wanted to be helped in the first instance. You’d rather spread disdain and anger at the ‘’‘enemy’‘’.

Insulting will surely help your case.

@BleedingUranium

It’s a well known term/phase that exemplifies the certain parts of gaming communities that insist on removing all elements from a game until every single encounter is merely a 1v1 “duel at ten paces” sort of affair.

And that is not what i want.

@BleedingUranium

That is to say, turning every encounter into a 50/50 test of mechanical skill (the most boring type of skill) at the expense of all other types. (Edit: Your boxing match example fits right into this; it’s not an appropriate comparison.)

The boxing match analogy was just a short way of demonstrating something.

I was talking about game mechanics specificall designed to keep bad players playing by giving them easy to use and unfair mechanics. And since if a player plays more (or does not leave the game because he is bad and gets annihilaged every time), he is more likely to spend money on the game.

Wargaming admitted to this, but when players were unhappy, they quickly deleted their admittion.

[FlyingDoctor]

Yea, I ain’t bothering with you anymore… My personal experiences and my actual upbringing and encouragement obviously outweighs yours.

[PANzer]

How long u play? War thunder in the beggining was only game about planes. Later they added tanks. Since then theres was Mix air and Ground forces.

Your question about Pe8 bomb - many times i shoted it down in air by Wierbelwind or skink. Also shoot down pe 8 with ostwind from 4km is not a big deal. I say more:
In AB u have Fighter to counter enemy air attack. In RB u have the same but better.

Onestly u cry about what? Counter Strike Mode but with tanks?

U have almost 11 gamemodes and still cry to have more? Pls stop. Already mechanics that Gagen added are making game worse. New flat and small maps, rebalance, and other shit stuff are thx to complains like yours. The game is Already Such easy that monkey that have brick instead of brain can play without problem…

[FlyingDoctor]

@O_HOgameplay

Admittion of defeat.

I don’t need to rebut your pages to try and make an argument because that’s all you’re doing… Trying to spam it up to submission or to get others muted when they get tired of you throwing whataboutisms and scenarios where the only ending you want to provide is death, and loss…

It’s pointless.

@O_HOgameplay

Sure buddy sure. Then you would have actual arguments, and you would not run away.

I did, after all, do you EVER see a coach or the team saying that the game is lost until it is, because I see it commonly in here people complaining aout CAS before the game has even commenced.

That’s how confident I am that I know what I’m saying ad have said… The negative mindset IS the sepsis, and it stops people doing what they need to do out of fear of failure…

Hence why the statchecking is dumb as all hell.

You guys, all did this to yourselves, and quite frankly, you guys handing out the excuses, are a TRUE detriment to the game and your teams… That’s how stupid that entire saga was.

[PointyPuffin]

Out of curiosity: how are helicopters and drones implemented in Ground Arcade right now?

[FlyingDoctor]

Nope, didn’t lie… Stop trying to insult me.

[O_HOgameplay]

@FlyingDoctor

Nope, didn’t lie… Stop trying to insult me.

Hmmm.

@FlyingDoctor

Yea, I ain’t bothering with you anymore…

Hmm, who did actual insults?

@O_HOgameplay

Quite frankly, you’re beyond rescue, not that you wanted to be helped in the first instance. You’d rather spread disdain and anger at the ‘’‘enemy’‘’.

[FlyingDoctor]

Nothing in what I said was insulting, it’s my opinion of you and your mantra to put out the worst possible scenario to aid your wet paper bag failure mentality.

[FlyingDoctor]

@Pacifica Can you fix this… This is just getting stupid.

@O_HOgameplay

Oh and thanks for the soft admittion of your lie.

Stop tryin to put words in my mouth and make things up… This is a commonality as you guys get caught up on things.

[O_HOgameplay]

@FlyingDoctor

Stop tryin to put words in my mouth and make things up… This is a commonality as you guys get caught up on things.

You did not try to dispute it.