Anti Aircraft

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No, ground launched comes with additional booster, that will fix main problems

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No, standart AIM-120C-5/C-7 on SL-AMRAAM.

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Elaborate

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Defenseless against helicopters. Ez to dodge (you can test it right now with hovering harrier).

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What does this even mean. genuinely

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F-16 with fox-3.

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thats not something you can say. we can and will probably see multi module vehicles either as separately controlled or towed.

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Not only us have troubles in anti air.

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True

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Ngl, I was actually having a pretty decent time using the AV-8B as makeshift SLAMRAAM, it was better than using the ADATS at least. Sure for anyone who actually tries to evade the missile, they can, but it’s not as easy evaded as the ADATS, which loses a lot of its energy after the first second, when the main booster runs out. Against hovering helicopters its not that great no, but if they move just a bit you can lock them. It’s not too bad since you aren’t sitting on the battlefield either.

Too bad they made fox 3s much more expensive now, but I guess a 600+ SP SPAA for the US isn’t too crazy when the ADATS can already easily reach 300+ SP, haha imagine if it stayed at <100 SP like a normal SPAA.

Now, SLAMRAAM would be better in the missile department, they are 120Cs I believe and have an additional booster, which makes it more comparable to launching an AMRAAM with some airspeed. If Gaijin were also to model the PD returns of helcopter rotors, that would be even better (but depending on the aspect, it might not be as helpful). Only thing SLAMRAAM would lack is a radar, but I can live without it as long as the missiles work.

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Pantsir is hell for CAS. All jets I use are close to useless vs Russia at top tier.

F-4F ICE, I tried to use it in an anti-air role to kill russian Helis and Su-25 etc… but as soon as you climb a bit over tree top altitude, you get shot down py Pantsir without warning. At least on most GRB maps, which are flat an small without terrain cover. Tornado ASSTA also gets shot out of the sky before you even get close to deploy your bombs. Its like spawning 800-900 points for absulutly nothing.

The worst thing is that both top jets dont get you any warning vs. Pantsir. No MAW and no RWR alert. You just explode. Its so damn cheap to spawn this truck of death.

Something needs to be done. In contrast, russian use their jets and helis with impunity. All other SPAAs lack range and good radar search arcs. So they just lol at you while they fire their long range ordnance or bomb you from dead angles. You cant counter them from the ground and when you try to fly air interception…Pantsir as soon as you dare not to scratch tree top you’re dead. no chance to go for russian jets or helis. Also russian jets which are commonly used for CAS have all working defensive systems. Their RWR works. Some even have MAW and IR jammers.

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Played 5 matches today to update my experience on hovering harrier with zero speed and low altitude in 12.7 GRB. The missiles showed rather poor effectiveness. 2 kills in ~14 launches. The first one was a ~60 level player, and the second one just flew straight at the missile ignoring the rwr warnings. Everyone else had no problem dodging.

I have 217 spawns on helicopters in this patch at 12.7 GRB. I have never died from any fox3, although many people tried. And they were on planes with a much better position for lock and launch than spaa. It’s will present same danger for heli as strela before optic mode buff.

That kind of armament shouldn’t have been that cheap. It was nonsense.

Overall ground-based amraam will be worse than flarak or ITO while people expect it to be the decent answer to pantsir.

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I’m not playing at those BRs anymore. It’s too expensive for repairs, and I’m not paying for premium time anymore.

I don’t approve of how they implemented the ADATS. It should be able to turn the radar off and still lock targets and guide missiles via laser. (Oh well)

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Thats what people said about drones back in the day

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~550 SP (F15/F16 with aim120) vs 90 SP Pansir

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Thats because the surface launched variant probably has a larger boost motor than the air launched one.

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Actually now looking up the info again, it apppears not to be the case. It’s just a standard AMRAAM, so maximum range would still be ok (as in it wouldn’t self destruct after 10km+), but effective range on a maneuvering target would be greatly diminished, probably more in the same effective range as the ADATS, just less of a hassle.

*Though I do have to note the SLAMRAAM can use the AIM-120C too, which has a slightly better engine, maybe even better for ground launch as well.

However, they made an improved version called the AMRAAM-ER, which is not really an AMRAAM, but an ESSM with an AIM-120C nose. This I suppose would increase its range well within Pantsir like effectiveness, considering it’s said to have 40km range and it’s made to be launched from standstill since its a ship launched missile. Has thrust vectoring as well. Of course this missile would possibly be too strong and I am unsure that the HMMWV version can carry those, though NASAMS does use them.

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well there is a new pantsir variant that has 40km range as well,
the germans have (had) a prototype missile for Roland systems that reached 50km.
im sure others can have similar systems too soon

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Here’s a list of potential High Tier - Top Tier SPAA that could be added to the game. This is mainly for Pantsir level vehicles for other nations, but I tried to include lower SPAAs.

Ranges might be a little off on some, especially the more modern missiles, (ex AIM-9X carriers).

USA:

Spoiler

  1. NASAMS HML / M1097 SL-AMRAAM

    • AIM-120 (In-game 16km Lock Range)

    • AIM-9X (16-41 km)

    • IRIS-T (25 km)

    • IRIS-T SLS (~12 km)

  2. M-SHORAD | MSL

    • 30mm MMPA (Range Unknown)

    • NGSRI (Stinger Replacement)

    • AGM-114 (9.5 km)

    • Stinger (6 km)

  3. FMTV / MML (Multi-Mission Launcher)

    • Stinger (6 km)

    • AGM-114 (9.5 km)

    • AIM-9X (16-41 km)

    • Tamir (74 km)

  4. Liberty M-113

    • VT-1 (6.3 or 11 km)

  5. ACSV G5

    • AIM-9X (16-41 km)

    • IRIS-T (?)

  6. HVSD/ADAMS

    • Barak-1 (12 km)

  7. Libya (US Suggestion) -

    *7.1.) Captured Pantsir S1E (18 km)

Germany:

Spoiler

  1. IRIS-T Carriers

    • IRIS-T (25 km)

    • IRIS-T SLS (~12 km)

    • IRIS-T SLM (40 km)

  2. Skyranger 35 (35 km Radar)

    • 35mm (4 km)

  3. Skyranger 30

    • 30mm (3 km)

    • Stinger/Mistral/SkyNight Missiles (Range is missile dependent)

  4. Skyguard-M

    • 20mm Vulcan

    • HFK/KV (12 km)

    • HFK/L2 (15 km or 50 km - Sources Vary)

    • Crotale/Rapier/Aim-9C/Aim7/MIM-72 (Range is missile dependent)

  5. East German -

    • 5.1.) 9K33-M3 Osa (15 km)

Russia:

Spoiler

  1. Pantsir S2/S1M (30 km)

  2. 9K33-M3 Osa (15 km)

UK:

Spoiler

  1. Sky Sabre/Land Ceptor (120 km Radar)

    • CAMM (25 km)

    • CAMM-ER (45 km)

  2. Tracked Rapier

    • Rapier Mk.2 (~7-8 km?)

  3. Canada -

    • 3.1.) MMEV (Multi-Mission-Effect Vehicle)

      • MIM-146 (10 km)

      • IRIS-T (25 km)

      • CRV7-PG (12 km)

  4. India -

    *4.1.) Akash Family

    • Akash Carrying Vehicle (25-30 km)

Japan:

Spoiler

  1. Type 11 (10 km)

  2. MMPM (???)

China:

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  1. HQ-6/HQ-64

    • SAM (18 km)

    • AAM (60 km)

  2. HQ-17 Family

    • HQ-17 (15 km)

    • HQ-17A (15 km)

    • HQ-17AE (15 km)

  3. HQ-11 FM-3000 (30 km)

  4. Yi Tian WZ-551 (18 km Radar | 10 km Tracking)

    • TY-90 (6-11 km Aspect-Dependent)

  5. Hunter-1 SAM / Yitian-L

    • TY-90 (6-11 km Aspect-Dependent)

  6. FK-1000

    • KS-1000 (22 km)

  7. FK-2000

    • Unknown Missile Name (25 km)

Italy:

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  1. Centauro Draco

    • 76mm IR-Guided DART (10 km)

  2. Iveco M40 Polyphem Carrier (15-60 km, Fuel dependent)

  3. Centauro ADATS (10 km)

  4. CAMM Carrying Vehicle or Future MBDA Vehicle

    • CAMM (25 km)

    • CAMM-ER (45 km)

  5. SAMP/T / MAMBA (Aster Missile Family)

    • Aster 15 (30 km+)

    • Aster 30 (120 km+)

France:

Spoiler

  1. SAMP/T / MAMBA (Aster Missile Family)

    • Aster 15 (30 km+)

    • Aster 30 (120 km+)

  2. Crotale Mk3 (16 km)

  3. VL MICA (20 km)

    • MICA-IR / MICA-RF | 0 - 7 km 50g / 12 km+ 30g

  4. R440 Crotale 4x4

    • VT-1 (11 km)

    • Crotale Mk.3 (16 km)

  5. Netherlands/Dutch -

    • 5.1.) ACSV G5

      • AIM-9X (16-41 km)

      • IRIS-T (?)

Sweden:

Spoiler

  1. Eldenhet 98 / RBS-98 / Bv 410

    • IRIS-T (25 km)

    • IRIS-T SLS (~12 km)

    • IRIS-T SLM (40 km)

  2. BAMSE SRSAM

    • Luftvärnsrobot 23 / RBS 23 (15 km)

  3. Norway -

    • 3.1.) NASAMS HML

      • AIM-120 (In-game 16km Lock Range)

      • AIM-9X (16-41 km)

      • IRIS-T SLS (~12 km)

    • 3.2.) ACSV G5

      • AIM-9X (16-41 km)

      • IRIS-T (?)

Israel:

Spoiler
  1. HVSD/ADAMS
  • Barak-1 (12 km)

  1. SPYDER Family

    • Python5-MR (20 km?)

    • Derby-MR (50 km?)

    • Python 5 (20 km)

    • Derby (50 km)

Misc:

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South Korea -

  1. K30 BIHO (India Connection? Research more)

    • 2x 30mm

    • KP-SAM Chiron (7 km)

  2. K-SAM Pegasus

    • VT-1 (11 km)

Poland -

  1. SPZR Popard

    • Grom (5.5 km)

    • Piorun (6.5 km)

Czech Republic -

  1. MARS 4x4 S-330

    • RBS 70-NG (>9 km)

Serbia -

  1. HARPAS

    • 2x 40mm L/70 Bofors HE-VT (3.7-4 km)

    • RLN-TK (12 km)

    • RLN-RF (12 km)

  2. PASARS-16

    • 40mm L/70 Bofors HE-VT (3.7-4 km)

    • 9K38 Igla (5-6 km | Variant Dependent)

    • 9K32 Strela-2 (3.7 km)

    • 9K35M / 9M37M (3-11 km)

    • RLN-1C (~12 km?)

Croatian -

  1. Strijela - SLRS S-10CRO/A1

    • 9K31M (4.2 km)

    • 9K37 (5 km)

    • 9K37M (5 km)

    • 9K333 (5-7.5 km)

North Korea -

  1. M2020 SH SAM

    • HQ-17A (Unconfirmed) (15 km)

Turkish (US Sub Tree?)-

  1. FNSS ACV-AD (40-60 km Radar)

    • Hisar-O (25 km)

    • Hisar-A/A+ (15 km)

  2. GURZ

    • FIM-92E

    • SUNGUR (8 km)

    • BOZDOĞAN “Merlin” (AIM-9X performance) (~25 km)

    • GÖKDOĞAN “Peregrine” (65-100 km)

    • Hisar-A/A+ (15 km)

Iran -

  1. Hertz 9

    • Shahab-e-Saqeb (10-11 km)

  2. Dezful / Tor-M1 (12 km)

  3. Sevom Khordad / 9-Dey

    • 9-Dey (30 km)
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This is laughable. 10 km at best. If the target is very high, maybe 6-8. Most likely the numbers will be even lower.