A hunter for example will kill all 4 with some consistency without wasting as much ammo in the process
Thats a stretch. The F-100 is more of a BnZ too
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Well, of course, F-100D can’t dogfight against subsonic dogfighters like CL-13 or Ariete, but at least it is better than F-104 on turning.
I think I omitted it. sorry. Hope you get what I meant. :|
Aaand maybe we all can go back to the discussion about later variants of F-104.
F-104 is a very low bar for turning lol. The gameplay loop of the F-104 is that you act like a 8G mach1 all aspect missile that tries to gun down people.
I remember it being very OP when you could use takeoff flaps and pull around 14-15deg/s at 700-800kph. That was enough to consistently kill people if they had no speed to properly react.
Now the F-104 is just a very specialized support fighter that gets trampled in any kind of uptier, but annoys people in downtiers.
The F-104C is especially good if you also want to annoy teammates by bombing bases
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That’s pretty much all the F-104s, both early and late, seem to be good at. Just being mosquitos. Ever since the massively ahistorical nerf that increased wing drag 7 fold, it’s gone from legitimate menace that outruns everyone and requires actual effort and attention to avoid dying to, to a mosquito that you can ignore most of the time.
When contradictions exist not even 1 hour apart.
F-104S’s acceleration is significantly faster than F-4E while having the same IR missiles, and being able to bomb bases.
F-104S is the fastest 11.3 in the game 2nd to none. Extremely few jets can catch it.
J-8B is 2nd fastest, and Tornado is 3rd fastest.
Also F-104S is part of this discussion:
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I heard people talking about a bug that made the internal gun add parasitic drag. Idk about that, but from what I’ve seen, F-104, all F-16 and F-15s lost some top speed since the update. I haven’t tested other jets but I don’t recall every top speed of all the jets, so those are the ones I know for sure
Maybe if one wasn’t able to read the English language. The first quote is saying the F-104A can ground pound better than most of the slower subsonic jets it will face in downtiers. The second quote is talking about the F-104S being compared to the F-4E in an entirely different bracket at a massively higher BR of 11.3 compared to the earlier statement’s focus at 8.3-9.3.
This is why I say you bring on the problems you cause. You can’t complain when you are the cause.
Oh, I never knew that I couldn’t carry/throw bombs in my F-4E/Kurnass, while F-104S can.
Thanks for the new info.
Yes, it has the same AIM-9J as the F-4E does.
But the potential loadout is different.
-Two extra IR missiles with no SARH, and M61.
or
-same four IR missiles
-two fewer and Inferior SARH (two AIM-7E vs four AIM-7E-2)
-and no M61 compared to F-4E because of SARH
Also, F-104S has worse RWR than F-4E.
So… yeah… I also think F-4E is strictly better than F-104S.
Is there any reason that both share the same BR, nothing more than ‘F-104S can bomb faster!’…?
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@Stockholm_Blend
F-4E’s speed with bombs is 1.05.
F-104S’s speed with bombs is 1.13+ with F-16-like acceleration.
As I said, it’s like comparing F-15C vs F-15E.
The F-104S is the F-15E to the F-4E’s F-15C.
That’s why they’re the same BR.
Radar missiles on F-104S are a liability as is.
F-4E’s own radar missiles are hit and miss.
The AIM-9Js carry both F-4E and F-104S.
And F-104S’s speed carries it above F-4E’s AIM-7E-2s.
There are more examples where speed with less maneuverability shares BRs when IR weapons are the same.
F-111F vs F-111C. C is a far better dogfighter, but F-111F is faster.
Still no edit here correcting your mistake
When I stated rear aspect it was not because the missile isn’t capable of locking from ahead, it’s the simple fact that it is insane that a missile at 10.X can be fired from a launcher going 700kph hitting a target going 1100kph 3.5km away at an altitude of 100m (as in dense air)
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