Plenty of jets that have an easy time gunning down ground targets with better agility to do it faster than the F-104. Some even with ballistic computers
Most don’t carry an m61 with a horde of ammo
most maps have the ground objectives lined up in line warfare… you can strafe 20 in one pass
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Plenty of jets with 20 or 30mm guns with lots of ammo. Some with even more than the F-104. The ADENs for example are great for that and you just need 1 tap per target and a very short burst for pillboxes. The hunters have 600 rounds of 30mm
There are only like 8 or 10 targets in each convoy and you would be lucky if you got more than 5 in a pass. Also you would waste a lot of ammo spamming the gun like that.
Lmao, that’s a good joke.
? I am talking about the static ground emplacements on every single map that ppl actually go after. I haven’t seen someone actually target a convoy in years.
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F-104 is not the best thing to farm those in a pass (you mean crossing the front line horizontally?) You will have more trouble killing 4 targets in each group in a pass because it lacks rudder authority and the F-104 starts pushing AoA at slower speeds which makes it harder to ground pound and you need to pull up sooner.
Also, non-rotary cannons work better to conserve ammo.
Point being, the F-104 is still decent for ground pounding, but it doesn’t mean some other jet can’t beat it at bleeding tickets
You ignore the spaa and kill the howitzers and pillboxes. This takes very little change of direction each time and can easily be done.
Depends on what you think of the ‘dominate’ term.
If it means ‘fragging enemies asap and decreasing the number of subsonic junks by dogfighting’
-You might be right, F-104 isn’t built for dogfighting, unlike the F-100D.
But if it means ‘using speed and thrust of 10.0+BR equivalent to make the whole enemy subsonics annoying all along the match’
-You are wrong.
Also, as long as this topic is for late variants of F-104, STOP DERAILING THE TOPIC with F-104A/C.
Please?
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A hunter for example will kill all 4 with some consistency without wasting as much ammo in the process
Thats a stretch. The F-100 is more of a BnZ too
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Well, of course, F-100D can’t dogfight against subsonic dogfighters like CL-13 or Ariete, but at least it is better than F-104 on turning.
I think I omitted it. sorry. Hope you get what I meant. :|
Aaand maybe we all can go back to the discussion about later variants of F-104.
F-104 is a very low bar for turning lol. The gameplay loop of the F-104 is that you act like a 8G mach1 all aspect missile that tries to gun down people.
I remember it being very OP when you could use takeoff flaps and pull around 14-15deg/s at 700-800kph. That was enough to consistently kill people if they had no speed to properly react.
Now the F-104 is just a very specialized support fighter that gets trampled in any kind of uptier, but annoys people in downtiers.
The F-104C is especially good if you also want to annoy teammates by bombing bases
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That’s pretty much all the F-104s, both early and late, seem to be good at. Just being mosquitos. Ever since the massively ahistorical nerf that increased wing drag 7 fold, it’s gone from legitimate menace that outruns everyone and requires actual effort and attention to avoid dying to, to a mosquito that you can ignore most of the time.
When contradictions exist not even 1 hour apart.
F-104S’s acceleration is significantly faster than F-4E while having the same IR missiles, and being able to bomb bases.
F-104S is the fastest 11.3 in the game 2nd to none. Extremely few jets can catch it.
J-8B is 2nd fastest, and Tornado is 3rd fastest.
Also F-104S is part of this discussion:
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I heard people talking about a bug that made the internal gun add parasitic drag. Idk about that, but from what I’ve seen, F-104, all F-16 and F-15s lost some top speed since the update. I haven’t tested other jets but I don’t recall every top speed of all the jets, so those are the ones I know for sure
Maybe if one wasn’t able to read the English language. The first quote is saying the F-104A can ground pound better than most of the slower subsonic jets it will face in downtiers. The second quote is talking about the F-104S being compared to the F-4E in an entirely different bracket at a massively higher BR of 11.3 compared to the earlier statement’s focus at 8.3-9.3.
This is why I say you bring on the problems you cause. You can’t complain when you are the cause.
Oh, I never knew that I couldn’t carry/throw bombs in my F-4E/Kurnass, while F-104S can.
Thanks for the new info.
Yes, it has the same AIM-9J as the F-4E does.
But the potential loadout is different.
-Two extra IR missiles with no SARH, and M61.
or
-same four IR missiles
-two fewer and Inferior SARH (two AIM-7E vs four AIM-7E-2)
-and no M61 compared to F-4E because of SARH
Also, F-104S has worse RWR than F-4E.
So… yeah… I also think F-4E is strictly better than F-104S.
Is there any reason that both share the same BR, nothing more than ‘F-104S can bomb faster!’…?
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@Stockholm_Blend
F-4E’s speed with bombs is 1.05.
F-104S’s speed with bombs is 1.13+ with F-16-like acceleration.
As I said, it’s like comparing F-15C vs F-15E.
The F-104S is the F-15E to the F-4E’s F-15C.
That’s why they’re the same BR.
Radar missiles on F-104S are a liability as is.
F-4E’s own radar missiles are hit and miss.
The AIM-9Js carry both F-4E and F-104S.
And F-104S’s speed carries it above F-4E’s AIM-7E-2s.
There are more examples where speed with less maneuverability shares BRs when IR weapons are the same.
F-111F vs F-111C. C is a far better dogfighter, but F-111F is faster.
Still no edit here correcting your mistake
When I stated rear aspect it was not because the missile isn’t capable of locking from ahead, it’s the simple fact that it is insane that a missile at 10.X can be fired from a launcher going 700kph hitting a target going 1100kph 3.5km away at an altitude of 100m (as in dense air)
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