Collectively speaking, the other one player on the enemy team would also likely to be a zomber.
At these brs, that would require loadout locking and just cause people to leave matches. Dont even know how it would affect the mm itself with the amount of base runners.
I would be surpised if they even survived that long.
I see lvl10-20s in high tier premium fighters base rushing or spamming missiles and it makes me want them to lock premiums until the player gets to the rank below it.
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What’s the point of that?
Nobody talked about statistics.
The point is, AirRB is about winning a battle. And YOU with your bombing do NOTHING for it.
It’s only wasting Position and let the rest of the team do the work.
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Its a bit soon for April fools posts.
7 out of 8 jets you mentioned can score plenty of kills with minimal effort and can easily get aces if you learn and play to their strengths.
6 out of 8 are just wasted potential used as fighter/bombers.
Sure destroying bases is consistent RP but you should try learning how to be an effective fighter instead (drop the F104 through), you’ll have more fun, it will decrease the chances of you becoming someone’s RP and you’ll become an asset to your team.
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I don’t see a problem in locking your loadout for the initial takeoff before the game has started, and lock could be lifted for subsequential landings.
Only issue could be queue times, but I believe many would rather wait some more time for a decent match, then get into a cesspool almost instantly.
This might be off-topic, but I am now a bit worrying about
Hatred to ‘base bombing free riders’ can lead into
“We need to kill base bombing rewards or remove base once and for all! For cleaner ARB!” Conclusion.
Yes. Base bombing reward is massive.
Maybe for some planes can do nothing but bombing bases.
Those planes
- can’t fight a2a
- performs way worse to a2g than proper attack aircraft in the same BR.
- only can deliver bombs to the base.
Yes. Faster Fighter jets which snatch the glory from ‘real bombers’ are annoying.
I don’t like F-104C and MiG-21 which are going napalm run when I play Buccaneer,
Or F-4S/MiG-23ML with no missiles but two napalm for [bomb, crash, and leave] farming while playing slower Tornado IDS.
Maybe in the same way as OP’s feeling :/
Still, Nerfing or removing bases isn’t the solution, I guess.
I rather supporting buff the reward of A2A.
“How about setting the negative multiplier to Fighters then?”
Also can’t be a solution. Sadly.
- There are some Attackers which is misled as fighters. Milan or MiG-27 can be an Example.
- and guys like OP will still bomb bases as long as it gives extra reward.
Rebampimg system of ARB would be only a good idea but
We all know that those greedy bastards never do it for free. :/
Just… I am a bit shocked that OP bombed base every plane that he could…
And blame F-4EJ with rockets…
Sounds both confusing and ironic.
…Why are you bombing in any of those??
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Gaijin brought that upon themselves. Of course people are going to feel hatred towards players that contribute nothing towards winning a game and can’t help in any way except be bait.
It makes no sense that bombing a base gives the same or more rewards when it does nothing than drain a hundred (or two???) tickets.
There is a really simply solution for this that also fits with the “realistic” label of ARB.
Make it so that the primary way win the game is to destroy bases. Increase the number of these bases and increase their HP. Make multiple variations on bases where different types of weapons are most effective. Make it so that winning takes a lot of separate bomb runs. The game would last longer as well.
By doing this you give bombers a purpose. However you also make them a target. You can’t have the entire team be bombers. Enemy would just pick them off with fighters. Interception is key to not losing. Controlling airspace makes things easier.
Fighter and bomber players are finally both happy.
Gaijin please fix ARB. It’s not fighter realistic battles but air realistic battles.
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Agreed.
As one of those who likes to play attack aircraft and bombers, This situation is built up by Gaijin’s laziness and greed.
I don’t like the current shitstorm situation of ARB at all.
Well, sadly it seems Gaijin wants a Fighter-realistic battle :/
since the ancient Tu-4 squad steamrolled matches like flying death-star to destroy all bases and airfields
They even don’t plan to add proper cockpits for bombers because it is a ‘waste of resources’
“single working bomber cockpit needs 2-5 times more effort than making a whole single-seat plane with a working cockpit”
:'(
Bombers(with modern interdictors) and Attackers are just jokes to them.
All they want to us is
- watch fighters reach the base faster, take base faster, and snatch all the rewards from bombing the base.
- watching them die worthlessly with their puny rewards
- struggle futilely against enemy fighters with inferior A2A weaponry and follow allied fighter’s fate.
- being nothing but a ‘manned bot’ which gives an extra reward than the normal bot.
in hyperbole, feels like being human prey of a manhunt party.
I disagree with OP’s claim
“I hate F-4EJ with rocket because I can’t bomb with my J-7D” thing
as long as he is also just another fighter who bombs base.
Still, Gaijin is blatantly abhorring and discriminating against bombers and attack aircraft users.
Because caring for us costs extra for new codes and more things, but it is not profitable compared to selling much of premium jets.
Well, I heard Air sim is a much better mode than ARB for playing attackers and bombers thanks to a few extra mechanisms
Still, I saw much of Anti-Air Puritans who hate to see PVE players on Air sim even in this forum :|
It seems
there is ‘No Gamemode for Non-fighters’ in this game.
Remove RP and SL from the game, and I will stop bombing with them.
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Sir, Are you trying to ragebaiting here…?
No, I’m just simply stating the fact that I bomb for RP/SL rewards.
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Okaaay…
Then, as long as J-7D can’t exploit napalm shits
I think bombing with J-7D will net fewer RP/SL rewards than having 4 PL-5B I think
No offence, but sounds really clueless.
The reward efficiency of base bombing drops drastically when you can’t destroy the whole base at once.
That was one of the reasons why there were fewer MiG-21 bombing bases before ‘Their Napalm bombs can destroy a single base’ was found.
F-4 can also not sacrifice missiles when equipped with rockets/bombs , so what’s your point?
Double standard?
He complains because the F-4 can sometimes get to the base faster than his planes…
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They need to add napalm to J-7D. It’s severely disadvantaged and too slow.
I made a post about it few months ago
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/give-j-7d-and-other-chinese-planes-incendiary-bombs
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Fair about adding napalm bombs to Chinese planes
but what disadvantages that J-7D have?
it has 4 overpowered missiles that reached meme level on its BR.
using it will give you a better overall reward than struggling to grab base against F-4EJ or F-111F
In fact, J-7D is one of the worst rat plane which is underrated drastically now.
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In all fairness, the Kfir can actually be used successfully in Air RB to collect a single base each match. It arrives to the battle so fast that it hardly sacrifices much by dropping its bombs from high up and immediately engaging in battle. Ofc I wouldn’t reccomend it, as the early map positioning that can be obtained in this aircraft is insane and I personally don’t sacrifice that advantage for a little extra RP.
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Well… If he grinds modification while he has nothing but only two AIM-120s as stock…
As long as playing top ranks without [chaff, new booster, and G-Suit] is annoying as hell, Maybe I won’t bother him.
I felt a dire need for bombing base too when I tried to unlock AIM-120 when I had only two AIM-9L as stock missiles on my Tornado F.3 Late on 13.3 for a forced fight against F-15C. :/
(Of course Tornado ADV can’t because it has no A2G payload in-game.)
But if he bombed bases while licking ground even though he spaded the plane…
Erm… Uh…
:|