That’s not the case at all, at least as far as the Bullpup is concerned.
Bullpup required both dedicated avionics boxes and a dedicated antenna that was located inside the radome. The antenna, if it was even still present by the early 1990s (unlikely), would have then been removed as part of the radar installation, because even with a cut-down antenna the APG-66 doesn’t leave a lot of space left in the radome. The other Bullpup avionics would have also been removed, if they were still installed (again, unlikely).
Maverick and Walleye capability would be a product of the stores management system of the aircraft itself, as the independent avionics needed to interface with those would have been removed along with the rest of the old T-system wiring harness.
josh, mate, do you have any sources on this? Because as far as we know here in Argentina, all the functions that the A-4M radome had were removed as “obsolescence”, because all those functions were replaced by the new radar. I can provide you with sources, but they are in Spanish. If you want, send me a PM.
ARG-1 v2 radar (modified variant of AN/APG-66(V)2, better sized to fit in the new radome)
By the way @_Fleks , you could also add the Argentine A-4M “Gaucho-01”, registration C-906, to your list of aircraft. Its cell was too worn out, so it never reached the AR standard. When it was decommissioned, it was abandoned for a long time and today it works as a monument (and has a new fictitious license plate)
Bullpup wasn’t a part of the radar system. And in long-nose Skyhawks (specifically A-4E/F/H/M/N[?]), it used a different antenna mounted flush with the upper inside surface of the radome, above where the antenna for the APG-53A/B was located:
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And going by that original radome, the Bullpup system wouldn’t have even been installed when the aircraft were originally placed into storage. Even by the mid 1970s, the Bullpup was outdated as a weapon system, with more modern and more effective guided weapons (Maverick, Walleye, and Paveway) having been introduced. Bullpup was no longer in service by the time the USMC started getting rid of the A-4M in the mid-late 1980s, and the A-4AR airframes came from those placed into storage at that point.
Hi dude
I don’t know the particular situation of the bullpup, although the sources mention it, I promise to find out about this when I have time. I’m at work now. Do you know the name/model of this antenna?
The point is that the way you mention it, it is understood that the A-4AR would have lost capabilities (not only Bullpup, but maverick and walleye), by losing its radome “because of its radar.” What happens is just the opposite.
I’m referring particularly to the Maverick, which is the attacking ability we’re interested in here, for the purposes of the game.
What I can tell you is that many A-4Ms arrived in different states of upgrade, in their avionics.
Of the A-4M purchased, just over 5 units were updated and approved to the AR standard in the US. The rest, more than 30 aircraft, came as A-4M (as they operated, in their last years in the US Navy) and were updated in Córdoba, Argentina. Those equipment you mention were obsolete in those years. Some are in a museum and others in training institutes (probably as museum pieces too). Even many radomes are still preserved as scrap metal.
Why? F-4F ICE would be a higher BR than the F-16 unless it got AIM-9Xs which would just make it better than Typhoon to begin with.
The gap between F-4F ICE and the Typhoon’s not gonna be that large.
Typhoons are far closer than you think, they’re not 2 years away…
Right, there seems to be a bit of confusion on your end.
Between Bullpup, Walleye, and Maverick, only Bullpup had anything to do with the radome. This is due to the aforementioned command antenna attached to the radome itself, used to transmit steering commands to the Bullpup.
Walleye and Maverick, prior to any upgrades, would have their own video relay systems and the like, to connect to the single cockpit display and the aircraft T-system wiring harness.
Upgrading the aircraft would remove all of those original systems, simply because they’re no longer needed.
In the case of Bullpup, things would be removed because the entire system is obsolete and keeping the electronics boxes for it would just add dead weight.
In the case of Walleye and Maverick, the original relay boxes wouldn’t be needed because the upgraded electronics would allow the weapons to interface directly with the aircraft computers via the data line that would have theoretically been added to each rack-pylon, provided the stores management system was configured to accept them as a weapon option on a given station.
For the Maverick, the only thing you’d need in addition to said data line is a power supply line from the 115-volt 3-phase monitored AC system to each rack-pylon that supported a Maverick.
Analytics. War Thunder adds on average 0.7BRs per year [1 if you include decompression changes].
0.7 means 13.3 by the end of the year, which is the minimum estimated BR for Typhoon, which guarantees.
I’ve been accurately calling vehicles since before EJ Kai was added [I also called EJ Kai’s addition].
Only things I cannot call are weird additions like F-16AJ, especially when F-15J with 9Ls would’ve been a fine addition instead especially in hindsight.
@Mytho-GR1
Not really. EJ Kai is 0.3 from F-16 with “identical” weapons and is still competitive.
The F-4F is an airframe from 1965, the ICE upgrade allowed it to use AMRAAM. As far as active radar homing capable aircraft go, it’s bottom of the barrel. Even after it is added, the MiG-29G will still be Germany’s best top tier.
Certified expert moment. Try F-16C w/AIM-120s & 9Ms vs F-4F ICE w/AIM-120s & 9LI’s. The latter will always lose (and stop bringing the EJ Kai into this, that is irrelevant and your performance in that particular jet is at best anecdotic evidence of how ICE would perform).
F-4F ICE was made in the 1990s…
Since when is DOI important here? It’s a 3rd generation airframe upgraded for AMRAAM use. In WVR it will be dominated by everything due to inferior flight performance, in BVR it will still be inferior to certain airframes due to radar limitations.
It doesn’t even have a helmet mounted display, it can’t slave IR missiles like F-16C or MiG-29 can.
The gap between F-4F ICE and the Typhoon’s not gonna be that large.
It’s gigantic.
EFT sports;
much better radar
better loadouts (F-4F ICE has no ground attack capabilites beyond what the current F-4F brings to the table, in comparison the Typhoon will bring a whole array of stand off ordinance)
has more countermeasures
has MAW
can have IRST
SIGNIFICANTLY better flight model (fun fact, it will be the best dogfighter, don’t ask me where I know this from, but i’ve seen a few things)
Typhoons are far closer than you think, they’re not 2 years away…
The structure is from 1965. The airframe which includes the hydraulics, electronics, slats, etc changed.
F-4E added slats.
Agile Eagle added automatic slats.
EJ Kai and F-4F ICE removed all the wiring and installed new lighter wiring reducing weight by tons.
If you think 6x R-73s is better than 4 9M/Lis and 4 AIM-120Bs… lol
Air RB is about furball management, not dogfighting.
@FurinaBestArchon
Okay… Typhoon with 9Ms and AIM-120s, 0.3 higher than the F-16, which means the 16 isn’t necessary.
First Typhoons are 8 missiles just like F-4F, it’s better in airframe performance first and foremost which is what makes it superior in the BR system.
F-4F ICE’s radar is seen on AV-8B+ and F-18.
I see Shini is attacking the German tech tree’s playerbase again instead of posting constructive posts.
