Originally it was the case that the SA Gripen was better, but the Swedish mains complained enough that Gaijin gave the Gripen A the HMS even if not historically accurate.
The Uk one stile has slighty better armamenr, like with a2g stuff etc
That is true.
I think its a neat idea, whether its adding a full sub-tree or even just a bunch of planes to plug in some gaps of lack of certain “types”…i know Germany could use some better CAS for sure. I would also consider other planes from the tree, even in the lower ranks, it could be neat to have.
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That’s not the case at all, at least as far as the Bullpup is concerned.
Bullpup required both dedicated avionics boxes and a dedicated antenna that was located inside the radome. The antenna, if it was even still present by the early 1990s (unlikely), would have then been removed as part of the radar installation, because even with a cut-down antenna the APG-66 doesn’t leave a lot of space left in the radome. The other Bullpup avionics would have also been removed, if they were still installed (again, unlikely).
Maverick and Walleye capability would be a product of the stores management system of the aircraft itself, as the independent avionics needed to interface with those would have been removed along with the rest of the old T-system wiring harness.
You may be right, I just thought I’d mention them.
josh, mate, do you have any sources on this? Because as far as we know here in Argentina, all the functions that the A-4M radome had were removed as “obsolescence”, because all those functions were replaced by the new radar. I can provide you with sources, but they are in Spanish. If you want, send me a PM.
ARG-1 v2 radar (modified variant of AN/APG-66(V)2, better sized to fit in the new radome)
Old radome
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By the way @_Fleks , you could also add the Argentine A-4M “Gaucho-01”, registration C-906, to your list of aircraft. Its cell was too worn out, so it never reached the AR standard. When it was decommissioned, it was abandoned for a long time and today it works as a monument (and has a new fictitious license plate)
Added, thanks
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Bullpup wasn’t a part of the radar system. And in long-nose Skyhawks (specifically A-4E/F/H/M/N[?]), it used a different antenna mounted flush with the upper inside surface of the radome, above where the antenna for the APG-53A/B was located:
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And going by that original radome, the Bullpup system wouldn’t have even been installed when the aircraft were originally placed into storage. Even by the mid 1970s, the Bullpup was outdated as a weapon system, with more modern and more effective guided weapons (Maverick, Walleye, and Paveway) having been introduced. Bullpup was no longer in service by the time the USMC started getting rid of the A-4M in the mid-late 1980s, and the A-4AR airframes came from those placed into storage at that point.
Hi dude
I don’t know the particular situation of the bullpup, although the sources mention it, I promise to find out about this when I have time. I’m at work now. Do you know the name/model of this antenna?
The point is that the way you mention it, it is understood that the A-4AR would have lost capabilities (not only Bullpup, but maverick and walleye), by losing its radome “because of its radar.” What happens is just the opposite.
I’m referring particularly to the Maverick, which is the attacking ability we’re interested in here, for the purposes of the game.
What I can tell you is that many A-4Ms arrived in different states of upgrade, in their avionics.
Of the A-4M purchased, just over 5 units were updated and approved to the AR standard in the US. The rest, more than 30 aircraft, came as A-4M (as they operated, in their last years in the US Navy) and were updated in Córdoba, Argentina. Those equipment you mention were obsolete in those years. Some are in a museum and others in training institutes (probably as museum pieces too). Even many radomes are still preserved as scrap metal.
I don’t know I feel like really not need for them because there still a lot of good vehicles for German to be add Leopard 2A6EX for example.
This is for the air tree, not ground
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Why? F-4F ICE would be a higher BR than the F-16 unless it got AIM-9Xs which would just make it better than Typhoon to begin with.
The gap between F-4F ICE and the Typhoon’s not gonna be that large.
Typhoons are far closer than you think, they’re not 2 years away…
Certified RazerVon moment
Comparing a jet from 1965 to a jet from 2000
You cannot possibly know this.
That is a wild take
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It not like it would have better Radar countermeasures flight performance and range and later one air to ground
Like clearly the Typhoon was pointless
Right, there seems to be a bit of confusion on your end.
Between Bullpup, Walleye, and Maverick, only Bullpup had anything to do with the radome. This is due to the aforementioned command antenna attached to the radome itself, used to transmit steering commands to the Bullpup.
Walleye and Maverick, prior to any upgrades, would have their own video relay systems and the like, to connect to the single cockpit display and the aircraft T-system wiring harness.
Upgrading the aircraft would remove all of those original systems, simply because they’re no longer needed.
In the case of Bullpup, things would be removed because the entire system is obsolete and keeping the electronics boxes for it would just add dead weight.
In the case of Walleye and Maverick, the original relay boxes wouldn’t be needed because the upgraded electronics would allow the weapons to interface directly with the aircraft computers via the data line that would have theoretically been added to each rack-pylon, provided the stores management system was configured to accept them as a weapon option on a given station.
For the Maverick, the only thing you’d need in addition to said data line is a power supply line from the 115-volt 3-phase monitored AC system to each rack-pylon that supported a Maverick.
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Not to mention a larger weapons load, helmet mounted display, MAWS, an actual HUD and probably many other things.