I don’t think I miss your point, I am stating my opinion, that the current way to balance BR, doesn’t have significantly better alternative, thats readily apparent and negatives the current way of balancing BR has, aren’t too harsh to withstand.
You are of a different opinion, I get that:)
Balance by stats of vehicle, not stats of players
Given the amount of vehicles stats that affect the performance, you would end up with similarly complex task as trying to BR adjust all existing vehicles at once, there is just too many variables at once.
You could do it for specific scenarios, like when two vehicles don’t move, are facing each other and shoot at each other, but you cannot predict its relative performance in many different scenarios that it appears in during battles.
not necessarily saying we should do this all at once. Problem is, we need to start doing it. Gaijin could easily tell the community they are going to start decompressing and do it over a full year. Doesn’t mean there couldn’t be more additions
The French 7.7 lineup keeps moving up because it has a very high skill ceiling. The amount of damage a good player can do on a good flank with those autoloaded guns can be absurd at times. Combine that with a particularly unfun and unforgiving early tree, which weans out a lot of the worse players, and you get some pretty consistently great results
According to that survey that went around recently, French 7.7 has the highest rate of nukes out of any lineup in the game, and my personal experience can attest that.
But, these tanks also handle uptiering rather poorly. They’re very unstable, and reliant on high penning AP which completely stops working against stronger targets at 8.3/8.7 and above. Trying to get flanks as they are reliant on when you’re up against stabilized tanks is often a death sentence.
What they need is BR decompression. End of story.
This is what I’m trying to say.
Very true
unfortunately my tank doesn’t have high penning Ap, making the move more ridiculous
my main point on why this move is so bad
I disagree, no skill just drive and shoot side. Sure, its volatile and players can pop off. I just dropped a 10 kill game, doesn’t mean the tank is good.
my argument of this whole post is that we shouldn’t balance on stats because of this.
also, at higher tiers when you have to shoot them 3-4 times to kill them, ammo stowage for this thing is a massive issue.
It does take some skill to position appropriately to get those sideshots though. Even at their own tier, if you drive around a corner and see a T32E1, or IS-4M, or anything that’s not easily penned frontally, you’re most likely dead. Even T-54 and Patton variants can be somewhat tricky unless you have time to line up a shot before they click anywhere on you.
Having the map knowledge and spatial awareness to find gaps in the lines that you can exploit is a skill, and one a lot of players seem to lack (Judging on how often I see Mauses roll over entire teams who insist on just sitting in front of them and bouncing off their angled armor). And when you exploit it properly, with a tank that can kill a target every 4 seconds, that’s how you get a lineup that produces more nukes than any other.
The stupidest thing about these changes are the that Lorraine 40t and the AMX 50 (TO90) are both being moved to 8.0, but the AMX 50 (TO100), which has the Lorraine 40t’s turret/gun/ammo on the AMX 50 hull is staying 7.7.
Just another example of Gaijin proving they do not play their own game and their balance patches come purely from an algorithm that seeks to flatten winrates across the board without human input. Anyone who has put enough time into the game to unlock these tanks would know better than the entire Gaijin dev team at this point.
I mean, I agree, but hugging the sides of the map works pretty well and isn’t too hard to learn. Being in flankers doesn’t require too much
I legitimately got a nuke in 1 minute one time from just shooting 10 tanks in the side. Now, it doesn’t mean the tank is good. I drop nukes playing 8.7 russia constantly. It just doesn’t mean it should be at 8.0. I mean, if you moved it up after decompressing, perfect. I get your point, but really doesn’t take too much. just spatial awareness and map knowledge.
(I would also consider myself a fairly average player)
T-55AM-1 is so inferior to the 9.0s above that it just can’t go to 9.0 itself as it’d instantly be the worst 9.0 in the game.
There might be compression, there might not.
I like to think of AMX-50s as Leopard 1s from the 1950s & 1960s.
The only equivalent to the AMX-50 TOA I could think of was Vickers Mk1, as T-54 does have more armor despite being significantly slower and firing a similar performing round of ammunition.
I definitely think the AM-1 would be fine at 9.0, but each to theirself. Some comparisons at 9.0 may be the M60A3 TTS, XM-803 (which is worse, in my opinion), the A1A1, Type 74 E or F, the ZTZ88 tanks, and the Magach 6M. I’m an avid player of the AM-1, and its a decent tank for where it is. It may be average at 9.0, but definitely not the worst. My main point of this post isn’t that the AM-1 should be uptiered into oblivion. Its the problem of how tanks are balanced and how compressed the BR system is
Problem here is the archaic ammunition. All of those tanks have APDS/HEAT/HESH and then either have an armor or FCS advantage on top of that.
Im not sure I understand this… Are you saying that the tanks around that have worse or better ammunition? Its just my opinion that APFSDS is the best style of round at that br, so I’m a little confused.
7.7 France is still shooting solid shot AP. Comparing them to Leo 1’s, Vickers, and T-54’s should account for that. Alvis is comparing tank speed and ammo penetration without looking at some of the major weaknesses of the tanks in question, such as lack of rangefinder, bad vertical turret drives on oscillating turrets, old ammunition types, etc.
The problem is AM-1’s APFSDS round is bad.
It’s essentially a slightly worse L28A1 APDS round seen at 8.0, but with slightly better fragmentation performance.
“Its ATGM” that requires gun depression the tank itself doesn’t have.
And HEATFS is being abandoned by players once 8.7 comes along in favor of better APFSDS rounds; and here are a few rounds vastly superior to AM-1’s 3BM25 round: C76A1 on Vickers Mk11, M735 on M60A1 RISE [yes even that round is better than 3BM25], M1000A1 on T-55M for Sweden, or DM23 on TAM.
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Depends for sure. AP rounds are certainly on the out by the late 1950s, but people swear by BR412D still, and that performs about as well as the 90mm round on TOA90, despite 3BM-8 and 3BK-5 being better overall options.
thanks, kinda what I was trying to say.
Speaking only of the BR412D, it remains popular as Russians don’t have to shoot their own tanks and most other nations around that BR have thinner tanks where the APHE kills more reliably. If I could shoot it from another nation’s vehicles, I probably wouldn’t.
BR412D is the APCBC round.
I use BR412 exactly until 3BM-8 exists [the APDS round] as the good ammo of 90mm American tanks at 6.7 is APCR… so I either got good with that round or would be trash with those tanks since I cannot stand the low pen of M82.
Edited after updating my brain’s memories.
412D has 100g of tnt equivalent, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.