I have been grinding through the French tech tree and have recently unlocked the AMX-32 (105).
I am wondering why this thing is the same BR as tanks that are a good bit better than it, such as the AMX-32 (120) or Leopard 1A5 or Leopard A1A1 L/44.
Compared to the AMX-32 (120) it is:
-Less armored (mostly irrelevant but still)
-Worse gun, same reload
-Worse engine
Compared to Leopard 1A5:
-Much slower
-Worse gun, same reload
-Worse optics
Compared to AMX-30 Super:
-MUCH slower
-Same gun
-Worse optics
Compared to Type 74 (G):
-Worse armor (it doesn’t matter much for either usually, but the Type 74 (G) has surprisingly thick armor, and the armor on the AMX-32 (105) is just abysmal
-Much slower
-Worse gun, same reload
-No LWS/LR
Compared to Leopard A1A1 (a BR lower than it):
-Better round (not by much), same reload
-Much slower
-Worse optics (admittedly, AMX-32 (105) has thermals but they’re only gen 1 and I personally almost never use them)
-Armor is about the same
If I am missing something about this tank, please let me know, but I cannot figure out why this is the same BR as these tanks.
With these comparisons in mind, I think the AMX-32 (105) should receive a new BR of 9.0 instead of 9.3 where there are currently much better alternatives, even within the French TT, at the same BR.
OFL 105 F1 is the worst round the French ever used. That combined with thermals and a stabiliser would just be slightly too strong at 9.0. The vehicle can’t really be improved any further as this specific version had no armour in real life; rather, it should have its thermals removed and moved down to 9.0.
Type 74(F) has the Type 93 round (DM33 equivalent) at 9.0, so OFL 105 F1 is not too strong for 9.0. And the optics on the AMX-32 are some of the worst of any high tier MBT, so having Gen 1 thermals doesn’t help much at all in my opinion.
I get what you’re saying though, but I think even at 9.0 without thermals it would still be pretty weak.
I’d be ok if they move it to 9.0 or even 8.7, AMX-30 platform can be pierced by anything at its BR.
But consider reviewing your statement:
AMX-32 (105) has obvious a weaker cannon over AMX-32 (120), Leopard 1A5 (105 L7A3) and Leopard A1A1 (L/44) (120),
AMX-32 (both of them) has electric transmission, which means 65 km/h in both forward and backwards but you got 10 gears, which means you’ll be always slow, more torque I mean, 619hp on AMX-32’s engine from 734hp Leopard 1A5’s engine with less gears but high horsepower, obviously will be a slow vehicle,
AMX-32 compared to AMX-30 Super is slower because it’s a German modernization for the French, using a 752hp engine, a automatic transmission with 8 gears will make the vehicles goes slightly faster in terms of acceleration, but the top speed is the same,
Also, you should count on weight: AMX-32 (105) have a weight of 38,0t from 36,5t of AMX-30 Super, in other hand, AMX-32 (120), that have more armor has 40,0t.
About ammunition, I don’t really know about French ammunition, so I can’t say much about it.
In conclusion: for my experience, where I can remember, I did well using AMX-30 Super, which I can’t complain much, it’s a decent vehicle but not for the current state of the French Tech-tree; I would like Gaijin could add the Leclerc P (P for prototype) as rank VII pack premium or the Leclerc T4 as event to people look at France Tech-tree as promising, and maybe, Gaijin seeing it as a chance for selling the Leclerc P as premium vehicle.
On this case, of Type 74s, they can’t much go more than the back lines, they have armor, but only on the turret, despite having such good ammunition, you are far slower than AMX-30/32/40 in speed, and has slightly slower turret control than the AMX-30s.
I think it’s fine, I’m currently using it to grind out France and I have a 2.34 k/d ratio, which is pretty good for me. Comparatively, my k/d in the AMX 32 (105) is only 1.53.
And the mobility is much better than the AMX-32 (105), I don’t have difficulty keeping up with Leopard 2s in my AMX-30 Super, but in the AMX-32 (105) I feel more like an M60 or a T-55.
That being said, I don’t have all the mobility upgrades on the AMX-32, so the way I’m playing it the mobility difference is more than 200hp.
AMX-32 120:
20HP/T
454mm angled penetration
8.7 second reload.
Thermals.
Leopard 1A5:
19.44HP/T. Effectively as-fast as AMX-32 105.
468mm penetration.
8.7 second reload.
Thermals.
AMX-30 Super:
23.29HP/T. [Fastest tank listed]
414mm penetration.
8.7 second reload.
Thermals. [Still 8x+ minimum zoom, so no effective change in optics]
Type 74G:
22.6HP/T
466mm penetration.
8.7 second reload.
Thermals.
All of these tanks have Laser Rangefinders.
None of these tanks have LWR.
Leopard A1A1:
No laser rangefinder.
19.57HP/T.
382mm of pen. Same difference from this to OFL F1 105 as OFL F1 105 is to OFL G1 120. A 9% difference.
8.7 second reload.
No thermals.
As @Bossman919 said, if its thermals is removed, it’d be good for 9.0.
Either way I’d be using AMX-32 105 in my 9.3 lineup since 9.0 doesn’t exist even with it moving.
That and it should have a faster reload.
Type 74 (G) does indeed have a LWS/LR. As well as Italian Leopard 1A5.
Agreed. But even now, it’s relatively weak at 9.3 compared to what else is at 9.3. I personally don’t use thermals very often at all and especially not if they’re gen 1, it just makes things harder to see in my experience.
