Yeah it would not be good but if the airspace is uncontested with no SPAA it would thrive.
SU39 would be fine. It still outranges AA with the KH29TEs. Also the “contested” airspace argument isn’t the smartest argument to go with when Multi pathing works the way it does.
Its a fair argument but maybe not the best.
I can see where people come from when using that argument but in practice it doesn’t work that well. Especially when the team you are fighting most likely also has Pantsirs on the ground
I play every nation. I own 90% of the anti-airs in the game, and can test all of them freely. I have the ZSU-23-4M4. I have the Strela. I have the Type 93. I have the TAN SAM. I have FIM-92Ks. I have Mistrals, both Italian and French. I have a LOT of anti-airs, and all of them are inferior to the Russian SAMs.
The Strela is a full BR lower than the TAN-SAM, while simultaneously being just as effective, with slightly less range. Though this less range is borderline irrelevant, due to weather playing more of a role in range than the actual missile. In cloudy/cold weather conditions, you will not lock at maximum range, you will likely only lock sub 4km, even on an afterburning jet, let alone a helicopter. So the increased range the TAN SAM gets is borderline pointless outside of only the perfect conditions. Both missiles are effectively guaranteed kills on any jets, as they are immensely difficult to dodge, and completely immune to flares.
Yet the Strela is at 10.3, whereas the TAN SAM is 11.3. This means the Strela can be downtiered to being at the same BR as the Type 93 SAM, which is completely, and utterly worthless.
The ZSU-23-4M4 missiles are incredibly good, they are completely immune to flares, and I have pulled off some of the most ridiculously stupid hits with them. Stingers are far worse, cannot be used up close, and do not have the same level of maneuverability. The argument that ‘they are better long range’ is ridiculous to me, since you won’t lock most things at long range, and any pilot with a brain cell will be outranging you anyway.
And this sits at the same BR as the Type 93, which doesn’t get a radar, has a far worse missile that cannot pull at all with 0 proxy fuze, and doesn’t get a quad 23mm autocannon mount. I might also add that despite the Type 93’s Type 91 missile (Which IRL uses a very different kind of optical tracking than what Gaijin has modeled here) being supposedly completely immune to flares, the Igla, in my experience, shares the same level of IRCCM capability. I have never seen an Igla be flared.
The Gepard 1A2 is just a gepard (which is a good SPAA) with stingers. The stingers are bad. This doesn’t magically make the Gepard better than the Strela or the ZSU-23-4M4, because the measure of a good anti-air is how well it can perform as an anti-air, and the Iglas are better missiles.
So, in conclusion, Russia has the best SAMs in the game. The Type 93/Mistral/Stingers are severely underperforming and overtiered, and in my searching I have seen absolutely 0 evidence for them needing to have traveled so far to initiate maneuvering, and instead every document/source I’ve seen suggested they only need to travel about 9 or so meters from the launcher before maneuvering/arming kicks in.
It’s also highly amusing that SU-25s get to stay at their BR while other CAS aircraft is going up, like the A-10s. Frankly SU-25s are far more annoying to me than A-10s, because SU-25s have magical survivability, and I have personally hit them with more than 4 stingers in the past, only to not damage them. I’ve seen SU-25s annihilate entire teams because no one had any viable anti-airs that could kill them, but we’ll leave them where they are, right?
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Unlike FIM-92E and K now btw
If no slamraam then mim-23 hawk
The 9.3 SANTAL? Boy have I got news for you about the SIDAM 25 Mistral.
What SPAA has AIM-9Ls? Additionally, yeah Stingers aren’t great, but it’s got a lot of them for the BR and its ok in mobility. Compared to the stuff around its BR its pretty alright (but of course pretty much all SPAA outside of a few should go down in BR to equal CAS in capability).
I don’t doubt it, but I didn’t even bring the Gepard up iirc.
Idk, all I know is that it’s got missiles that are probably more maneuverable than the Mistral.
The chaparral has AIM-9L clones
In what universe? The Chaparral’s missiles are awful, and perform worse in general.
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Wrong variant. Im thinking the G model.
outsmart? You mean sit at the same range as it and back up after firing a vikrs and killing the ADATS because RaNgE of adats is garbage
They arent AIM-9L clones, they are BASED of the AIM-9Ds, they gutted the internals and remade a missile meant for ground launched vehicle and added more features. If anything it looks like an AIM-9 but it isnt an AIM-9
You have the same range as vihirs but most ADATS player are too trash to hit me.
Because you get a little “hey you’re getting fired at single” that means that pretty much anytime a missile is fired you can immediately duck behind cover and be immune. Either that or ripple firing (within 5 seconds) two vikhrs to destroy the missile than the ADATS itself since it can only fire one missile and control one missile at a time.
A.k.a. you are using better technology to defeat an older anti air system and you are calling it skill.
ADATS does have the same range but absolutely not the same capabilities, and so long as that is the case their is no “they are trash”.
Also one concern I have now with the AMRAAM SPAAG is multipathing and how that will effect the missile. Once it lofts, will it simply loose lock when it hits above 70m? Will it somehow manage to maintain lock? How will that carry over into air at all?
If it looses lock, Helis are still invulnerable. If it doesn’t, then people will complain because the missile is “too hard to defeat” (they don’t know how to notch). Also a problem of if it doesn’t, since it’s the same model as in ARB currently, would it cause it to be the only missile that doesn’t struggle with multipath in ARB? Etc. etc. etc.
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You can fire 2 missiles at once in Ka-52 I thought that was removed.
Also the AMRAAM SPAA’s fuse would not work to proxy at short range.
It has to be quick ripple. You can fire in rapid succession but no longer after something like 5 seconds
Did not even know. Before I just had to hope they were locked onto an Su 27 or something.