I was comparing those two aircraft with each other, in a complete vacuum. Disregarding other vehicles
Really?
All Hornets with the exception of 12.3 ones perform badly. It’s a magical issue of Matchmaking: both BR system and the exact formula behind team composition that screws over the entire 12.7 BR right now.
Mind you, the 12.3 Hornet is slightly worse than 12.7 Hornets but that -0.3 BR makes magic happen.
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Say anything that make sense-ish and they genuinely gonna beat OP argument to pulp. in this very instance anything against OP word is a genuine counterpoint.
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What?
America haters?
Are we citing stat cards in 2026
How the heck disagreeing with OP can be agreeing with OP.
This discussion literally went OP & YOU vs The World.
All you are doing here is initiating cheap bothsideism for acting neutral while you are silently siding with OP by making the opposite side look like an idiot.
Guys who are not agreeing with OP are fighting not because they are America haters, but because he made an awful take.
Well… take itself slightly gotten better, but his stance has downsized.
Even worse than the Dunder Mifflin way.
He probably believes that we hate America, and that is why we lynch the OP.
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why is thread even still open? lol
Climb rate is one of the few things the stat cards gets relatively correct.
And no statshark is also comically inaccurate as of late too, reminder that for the entirety of dev it thought the AIM-120D was a vast improvement over the C-5 when in reality it was not even remotely such.
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how is that something important?
- it’s a Hornet, any of them can basically rocket-climb without issues if using afterburner
- 99% of the time u’re climbing at 20º in a match, tell me where tf would that extra 20m/s be useful apart from a dogfight where the american C Early will win cuz it’s lighter due to it being older
Because it is a notable increase to climb rate.
And?
When you are climbing, as already stated, I don’t know how something so simple is so hard for people like you to grasp. (I already know why given the staunch nationalism on the forums)
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Idk how 20m/s are important for u, it’s like saying MiG-29 has better climb rate than Su-27 cuz the Fulcrum has 305m/s. Sure Fulcrum has a way better climb rate than the Su-27, but at the end that doesn’t matter cuz both are going to climb at 20° at the start of the match.
The fact u believe everything the stats say doesn’t mean a certain vehicle is better than other cuz it has a higher number in something than the other.
Yes the Mig-29 9-13 has a superior climb rate at 318 M/S vs the SU-27’s 225 M/S, thank you for providing another example of a fact that is a part of the game.
And? You can generate as many scenarios as you want, the fact of the matter is that the Swiss premium hornet climbs faster than the US and Canadian premium hornets, period.
I regret to inform you that yes, a aircraft with a higher climb rate does indeed make it better than a another aircraft at climbing.
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Talking with u is the same as talking to a french wall
U forgot weight exists, bozo.
The fact the Swiss Hornet has higher CR in paper doesn’t mean it has better CR than the american Hornet in game.
It doesn’t. U can see how Spitfire Griffon can climb at like 35m/s and however if u try to climb at like 25° u won’t be able of sostain that climb, while something like a P-51D with like 18m/s can easily maintain that climb with absolutely no issues.
Let me rewrite it for u:
The american F/A-18C Early is lighter than Swiss F/A-18C Early, which means it has less weight it needs to move, which means it has better acceleration just like F-16A is better than F-16C, or F-15A than F-15C, compared to the Swiss Hornet that’s heavier, which would mean it has better climb rate.
If u actually believe the stats, i don’t wanna hear u say the turn rate of the Ho 229.
The main issue with the F/A-18C Early is that its so much worse than everything above it and at its BR but its so much better than everything below it, bar maybe the F-4J/S. Same issue as the Panzer VIII remove from game 👍
The stat card listed climb rate is the maximum achievable climb rate of the aircraft, the CF-188A and US F/A-18C early cannot exceed 205 M/S of climb rate, nor can the Swiss F/A-18C late cannot exceed 225 M/S of climb rate.
Weight of the aircraft is already a part of that calculation.
Lmao.
Imagine my shock that different planes have different optimal climb angles, also the griffon spits will always outclimb a P-51D-20-NA, I have 0 clue what you are on about them reaching altitude slower. ( 24.3 M/S for the griff vs the D-20’s 18.9 M/S)
Yes, the F-16A has a higher climb rate at 305 M/S vs the F-16C’s 300 M/S.
The F-15A has a vastly superior climb rate to the F-15C at 330 M/S vs 280 M/S lol, yes, of course it will climb faster.
Thank you for once again proving my point lol.
None of your examples have so far supported your argument.
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This is a purely skill problem. The F/A-18 is an excellent aircraft for its level of performance. Excellent radar for the level, excellent maneuverability, 8 missiles, excellent RWR showing aircraft names.
However, even with ultimate situational awareness, Hornet players still manage to catch missiles even in the most ridiculous situations.
For the most part, such poor statistics of the aircraft are primarily due to the fact that it is flown by beginners, and not because the aircraft is bad.
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It’s better than most other 12.7s what are you on about?
the MiG-29 is a prime example
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i’m done talking with somebody who doesn’t want to admit his wrong nor admit he knows nothing about real performance of different vehicles.
If u’re so smart i would want to ask u what’s the turn rate of the Ho 229, as i already asked u.
it’s an f-18 with more countermeasures who cares
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