Allow Bushes to be Turned Off in Graphics

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519

Your bush bullshit is just that. I very rarely see anybody with a whole set of the same bushes and even those become almost useless when tanks get to the size they are at 5-6
BR .You remind me of that fool who was bleating on about removing Artilllery because he got hit once by it.

You are showing pictures of a the few fully covered tanks that exist in the game and pretending the game is littered with them. I bought about three full sets and because I own them I look out for them and I very rarely if ever see anybody else with a tank like mine or get taken out by somebody with a set up like you show in your picture and that is from nearly 14000 games

If you are an aggressive player getting in there and getting kills then dressing as a bright green hedge wont help as people will see you and fire and the hedges do nothing.
I even wonder myself if they help or hinder.I think on many occasions on most maps the bushes are more easy to spot than a vehicle without.

I would say like many I bought them as a newbie thinking that a realistic look might be fun or that being on console bushes might help but since then I have learned that experience is the key to winning not dressing as a hedgerow.

Tiny sniping rat tanks are rarely seen anyway as they exist for that reason and hide in natural cover so trying to say “Hey guys can you see the weasel in this picture” is irrelevant.

I think its a case of ,“oh what can I moan about on the forum today”
Camo should exists and it should be part of the game.

You can get bushes for free and many have.You can whine about payers but we all need them or we would have no game, Gaijin don’t do it for fun do they?

You can buy the Camos to help as well or you can earn them so do you want to moan about tanks being white on a snow back ground? So may players on here drive around covered in anime pillows red stickers.

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520

No, pay 2 win means you obtain an unfair advantage.

An example would be those browser strategy games like Travian, Ikariam and Klánháború (I dont know if it has an English equivalent).

They’re games centered around resource management, production pipelines, timing your raids and conquest.

You can pay money to instantly finish completing units, buildings that produce units, buildings that produce resources to build more units. You can also pay money to outright buy resources to sustain more units or build more buildings.

None of these will outright win you the game, and indeed someone who is online more than you are and able to catch you unaware can conquer you.

However, I do not think I need to elaborate further to highlight the sheer advantage paying provides, and how that cannot be described as anything but pay to win.

A free to play game without any p2w elements would be Dota. Dota has strict rules around character cosmetics - their primary income source - requiring that character “Glance value” be preserved - silhouette or colour. Given the tournaments Dota is famous for - I neither need to elaborate that it’s a game that prizes itself upon being a competetive game.

LoL has no p2w elements either. It used to, whatwith the rune pages but they got rid of that in interest of greater competetive advantage.

OSRS is not F2P, but it neither has P2W elements. On the other hand, Runescape (modern) does have p2w elements in form of putting plugins and services that provide significant and crucial information behind an additional paywall (beyond premium sub), plugins and services that in OSRS are available for everyone (except mobile players, but they’re working on that).

Warthunder? Well - there’s a few pay to win premiums that give you an edge over equally skilled competitors due to being grossly under-BR’d - Wyverns vs bombers; xp-50/55 come to mind.

Crew skills are another example. An aced crew can sustain Gs in excess of 10 and complete the turn and get guns on target while a non-expert grind-state appropriate crew will black out from even a 7G turn within moments. However, I don’t complain about this that much since EVENTUALLY everyone will be able to access an aced crew regardless of when and how they play.

Bushes though are time-gated. Unless you play during a specific period of time and play 2-3 hours each day during that period, you will not be able to access it. You need level 57 battlepass, which means if you miss the first 2 months’ easy challenges you’ll be way behind. If you only show up in the last month there’s no way for you to get it. If you begin working towards it, but schedule demands you stop playing - your effort is not preserved and you must start from scratch.

They are not accessible through normal play. They are not accessible if your schedule makes it so you miss the battlepass they’re part of.

That’s the problem.

It should be something you can grind towards. Make it a 200 hour grind. Make it a 400 hour grind. Per. Vehicle/crew slot/tier. Hell, make it per vehicle AND crew slot and make it 400 hour for a SINGLE random bush without duplicate protection.

I’ll be satisfied even with that absurd grind.

But the current FOMO system is heavily anti-user.

521

In an inherently unfair game that is useless phrase indeed. I phrase should mean what it says. Same with the so called “Balance” I keep hearing about where people now think the game should be two side totally equal when Balance never meant that or the game never needed it or suggested it.People on here need to stop repeating the mantra and think about what they are saying and what they are asking for.

This game is now the same as it was years ago.Its Free to play if you want to but don’t be fooled that the game exists so you can buy and spend. If not you would have no game.
That was never in debate.

Gaijin want to and have the right to sell items that are special just like any other game that deals in DLC and I cant think of another game where so many entitled free to play players whine so much like ungrateful guests.

522

Let’s see how many people use bushes from the one game I played, about 28 players.

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So roughly 50% of players are stacking their tank with bushes, I’m sure for cosmetic purposes.

This argument about Gaijin being so desperate for money that they need bushes to sell is so lame.

523

So it seems everybody has them so its no big deal then is it? People have access to them .they are happy but you demand their removal.I play lower down and I have no real issue with bushes. I have them and if others have them great.

Do you also cry when you are in an uptier as that is unfair? Or get killed by a premium you cant get? The game is what it is and its Gaijin cash cow and always has been. Do you think they are going to stop making money to make you happy?

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524

I don’t think 50% is everyone.

525

No, they just completely hide it from view. Are you familiar with the frontal layout of the Su-122-54? With it’s black hole mantlet, the only place AP based guns can get through are the small strips of UFP on either side. If he’s smart, and angles his left side to you, it’s a particularly small target, with the larger right side doing no damage with AP/APDS. If he’s managed to find a spot that hides his lower hull (Which he had), then that section is off limits too.

Here is my best attempt to replicate what I saw. Keep in mind, I only have 4 bushes, and 3 of them are decidedly suboptimal (Palm leaves x2 and Dry Bush, which barely block anything). The target I saw was completely bushed with the old x6 pack, to the point that even his tracks were hidden (Since you can mount them on the mudguards).

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You’ve got the drop on him, but he is aiming at you. We’ll give you a generous whole second to find that strip and hit it. Do you think you can accurately hit that narrow strip on your first try? And are you confident you could do the same if I had access to the whole x6 pack of bushes?

526

Dota 2 has no way for you to buy anything that can give you an advantage over another player.

Leauge of legends has no way for you to buy anything that can give you an advantage of another player, only faster access to more champions (ergo: premium time in warthunder or convertible XP or premium vehicles):

Team Fortress 2? Same deal as League.

Warframe? Same deal as league.

Even Heroes & Generals didn’t give advantages for paying. Now, its grind was utterly atrocious and the lack of any BR or SBMM meant you could have a squad of dudes running around with a fully-spaded STG-44 dumping on a bunch of level 1 americans without even a grease gun unlocked. Or inverse of that, squad of dudes with tommy guns dunking on germans with g43s. But! You could still grind for all of that, eventually, all times of the year.

Only Hearthstone is something I can think of with such anti-consumer practices, and that’s more a consequence of TCGs being cursed from the outset.

If we include P2P games - that is, pay for the game once or pay a sustained subscription - then Insurgency ensures the players on the battlefield are equals bar skill. Starcraft 2 - same deal. Guns of Icarus? Same deal. Naval Action? You can buy vehicles, but there is no additional advantage beyond that - which is about equivalent to DCS’s vehicle packs. EVE online too has only pay-for-faster progression. OSRS - you can buy gold at around 1 mill GP for 0.5 pounds with current prices and market value. However, other than getting you better gear faster (or supplies) - you won’t gain any advantages in pvp with it.

527

Do you really think moving bushes from FOMO bollocks to a system like acing a crew would stop people from buying bushes?

It’d go from

“Either play during this awfully limited period of the year or pay us” to

“Play 200/400 hours in the tank you want a single bush for, or pay us.” (btw, you get no guarantee you’ll get a different bush each 200/400 hours. You might have horrible luck and get tiny useless bushes each time.) (also it won’t transfer to another crew slot if you decide to use another slot for that tank)(if you pay us, you decide which bush and it applies to all tanks and crew slots)

528

Well one minute you are telling me nobody can obtain bushes now you tell me everyone has them? so what is your point? Even you have them so use them and enjoy the invulnerability they give you and stop whining.

529

People have spent 2-3 k of cash on here,its making a fortune no doubt and when it no longer does it goes and everybody’s investment of cash or time dies with it. That is all I know. Dont go thinking you really have any say or ownership in it all.

530

And one moment you’re arguing how you never see tanks with those setups and then quickly change it to, so I guess everyone has them so it’s fine.

I never actually said anything like no one being able to obtain them, so that’s just a strawman.

531

You havn’t responded to how a more consumer friendly approach would at all reduce bush sales.

532

I dont but I am not at top tier trying to hide an MBT behind a few twigs. You can still show a few pictures and pretend everybody is running around covered in bushes like I can show you a end game page with me getting 14 kills and hope you think I do it every game.

533

Im not that naive Runa. We live in a corporate world and its going to get worse not better.

534

Okay so do you think that game is an anomaly and I just happen to find the one game where people use bushes then, and not just pick the only game I played this month?

535

Oh please, tell me how many of them was able to keep a positive K/D and it was because they had bushes on.

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536

So those who play top tier have bushes and those at mid tier dont so much and you say you cant get them for free? Maybe the reason top tier have them is becsue so many have bben playing for years. Like those who spend three million SL on opening chests.

I didn’t play one game I played about 200 this month and not seen every tank completely obscured by bushes.

Most enemies are spotted by scouts or aced crew and have a big yellow arrow over them bushes or not.

537

This guys just don’t understand the difference between P2W and P2P

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538

Again you’re just making things up and twisting my words to create a false narrative.