You wouldn’t be able to see him without bushes either, infact if he was using the neon green bushes everyone uses he would probably be easier to spot.
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Circle a Weasel when its behind you, circle the Pe8 when its a mile above you.
Welcome to War Thunder!
So what bushes do you own?
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Holy compression, you even have jpeg artifacts in that.
How do you expect anybody to pick ANYTHING out of this image when it has the quality of a 480px PNG?
I got a few, why?
I just wondered if you were one of those people who talked about bushes without even owning them or using them.
Why would anybody play a tank game and worry about concealment and camouflage as part of that game? It’s a tanking basic.
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I obtained some bushes when it was more reasonable to do, and they weren’t tied into some grindy BP or cycled in and out of the shop for literally no good reason, I only use them on a few vehicles due to the blatant advantage it gives and avoid them where I can since they look absolutely hideous.
If you use the British Helmet on the Jagdpanzer IV you can confuse the enemy from a distance into thinking the helmet is the weakpoint of the tank, rather than the right side which is the real weakpoint.
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I bought mine with big greedy corporate cash : ) I also flashed my white privilege card for good measure.
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This is honestly my only issue.
Make it into an absurd grind like ace crews. You get to roll for a random bush on your tier 2 tank at 300-000 RP, and roll again for a second bush 300-400K RP later. Add 100 or 200K RP each tier higher your tank is to the point getting a single bush unlocked at top tier takes probably a million or more.
Or, you can buy them from the shop as they currently are and use them on any tank you want and the specific bush you desire.
It removes the FOMO, it allows you to work towards it at your own pace doing what you enjoy. It still makes gaijin money because not a lot of people are going to play a single tank for 500+ games but may still desire the advantage over weakspots, identification or ratting.
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Surely because they look cool and not because it gives you an advantage of course.
I still just want them removed from the game, or reworked to be a camo net option and different bushes just are different colors.
Pushing through open fields, you find yourself being cracked open by a concealed AT gun/ATGM crew, who was effectively completely invisble until it opened up on you.
“Why would you play a tank game without worrying about that? It’s a tanking basic”.
Carefully pushing through the narrow streets of a built up town, you find yourself immediately disabled as molotov cocktails are thrown onto your engine deck, your fleeing crew being gunned down by concealed infantry.
“Why would you play a tank game without worrying about that? It’s a tanking basic”.
Forming up with your team at the start of a battle, your entire grid sqaure gets wiped out by an intense artillery barrage, throwing lighter vehicles into the air while permanently disabling the heavier ones. Few if any survive the initial salvo.
“Why would you play a tank game without worrying about that? It’s a tanking basic”.
You can ask any veteran you want about tank combat, I’m willing to bet none of them will describe their experience as “fun”, or “balanced”.
Can we maybe concede that a non simulator game based around tank combat should focus on making tank combat fun? And that part of that is ensuring a level playing field and excluding aspects of real life tank combat that don’t result in good gameplay?
Bushes are fun and balanced. They give tiny and fragile tanks some concealment and big tanks won’t benefit much.
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Being shot by someone effectively invisible is not particularly fun. Nor is it particularly balanced for that player to only be invisible due to paying through the nose (Or grinding for an excessive period of time).
Tiny, fragile tanks already have good concealment because they’re, you know, tiny? They’re already harder to spot, and they can hide behind terrain and objects other tanks can’t. An M56 Scorpion can literally use parked cars as near complete cover, which I’ve come to rely on to fool the average player. Hell, I can take my completely unbushed Weisel and go unseen for an entire round pretty consistently when I feel like being a troll scout.
Meanwhile, large tank can still benefit from bushes by virtue of hiding weakspots. I went up against a fully bushed Su-122-54 yesterday, who despite being entirely vulnerable to my gun, bounced three shots in a row since I was unable to tell where the vulnerable UFP was, and my shots hit either his mantlet or the highly angled portions to either side of the UFP.
Then it’s your choice to not use them. And they won’t get removed for you choosing not to use.
It’s strange that nowadays guys in the forum are trying to reduce the freedom and FUN from players, for ridiculous “balance” reasons. They complain about actually fun mechanics, bushes, artillery strike, CAS and so on. What gameplay do they want? Everyone driving heavy armored MBT shooting in the center of the map?
Now I even stand with Gaijin to tell you why bushes won’t get removed or reduced. Firstly in fact it’s not too P2W. And some players have bought it so it would be unfair to them if it got removed. Finally Gaijin need bushes to earn money. It’s reasonable if you want an easier grind, but remove them? No, Never.
This is actually the fun. If you don’t want this kind of experience, go to Arcade Battles, where most enemies are spotted.
And for the Su-122-54 issue, it’s still your problem if you don’t know where the weak spot is. You can’t ask restricting other player’s choices for your skill issue.
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Your freedom and fun should not be at the expense of the game.
And lmao, they NEED bushes to make money.
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I’ve told you how you can get them free. Your issue if you don’t even want to play some battlepass challenges.
“They are fun and balanced!”
(thehe im not telling theese fools I have ALL the bushes and hide my whole tank in them thehehe)
They are not balanced at all because they are to hard to get and you can place to many on your tank
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