Like I said, vehicles like the 279 could be balanced better by only allowing a single spawn.
Why anyone has an issue with the WMA is a mystery to me however.
Gen 2 thermals, 55mph top speed, tandem charge missiles, and proximity anti air shells at BR 9.0. Its a camping monster. Especially with a lack of barrel collision.
Thermals are barely useful these days, top speed really isn’t remarkable, tandem missile isn’t anything special after all ATGMS were nerfed plus 370m/s velocity means your APFSDS is 4x as fast and if at distance you deserve to die anyways as you’d have several seconds to avoid it.
HE-VT with a 18 degree barrel elevation and 1 shot per 7.2 seconds is very situational.
In return you get zero.zero armor, poor acceleration, poor depression, poor reverse, don’t get the better APFSDS and it has this weird recoil that ruins your shots.
It’s a pretty good vehicle at times but really not remarkable enough to single out, especially not after the ATGM nerfs… it’s stats are very mediocre.
I would love this. I have just reached Br11.3 in britain. We dont have any 10.7s (i think) or 11.0s. So you jump straight from 10.3 to 11.3. For me to take a second ground vehicle would mean taking a 10.3 into a 11.7 match. So when i die. Its either CAS or if i didnt get any kills, quit, usually. (I do need to get the chally mk3 spaded to have that as a half decent back up) if i could respawn in my chally 2 again. I would 95% of the time.
So lets compare then. Since Sweden doesn’t get any 9.0 tanks I will use the 8.7 91-105(Light tank). No missiles. No proximity shell. 8.7 second reload. -8/15 degree elevation. No thermals. Worse in all cases and since Sweden has no 9.0 tanks, you fight the WMA301 a lot. WMA301 55mph, 91-105 40mph. Neither one has armor so that is a useless argument.
WMA301 detonation is set to 15% by the way. Which it should not be for a light tank.
I want you to find me another tank at 9.0 with Gen 2 thermals, 50+mph speed, ATGMs, Darts, and Proximity shells.
I wan you to find me another tank around 9.0
I hate when people say “well xx doesn’t use thermals that much” that is completely opinion/objective. Some players swear by thermals and can’t play without them.
The facts are, its a tank from around 2012 that is placed at a BR against tanks from the 1970s. That shouldn’t happen.
AND you ALWAYS HAVE TO ACCOUNT for the -1 BR she gets to stomp at.
Thermals got a significant nerf, so they are not nearly as important as they once were, regardless if you use them or not, they’re not as big of a bonus anymore so that’s worth considering.
Top speed also exists on paper, in a game you barely out drive a Leopard A1A1, only on the streets are you likely to have more of an advantage, as do all wheeled vehicles.
On the downside the lack of reverse speed and the fact a wheeled vehicle cannot move on the spot is massively detrimental, especially paired with the size of the vehicle and having 8mm if armor.
BMD-4 at 9.0 is better, tandem ATGM that reloads twice as fast, 70km/h top speed and 70 in reverse, autocannon, thermals, superior mobility as a tracked vehicle, far better vehicle profile, elevation of 60 vs 18, also more depression, way faster turret rotation speed of 34 vs 15, auto loader, more armor to protect against MGs and it gets IRST that allows it to function as SPAA paired with a 20x zoom vs 11x on the WMA.
Oh good, so you are talking about both russian trees (Taiwan/china is just baby russian tree for crew lockout). Also fun fact the BMD-4 entered service in 2004. So its another modern vehicle placed against 1970s vehicles for other nations.
Can you find anything that isn’t russian or russian shill nation that is this grossly under BR?
The thermals with the proximity rounds makes the WMA301 a massive helicopter hunting vehicle.
Sounds like you’re just changing the goalposts now, besides year of introduction has never been relevant in game.
Because it favors russia not to be correct. The Mig 29 is from the mid 1980s. The F16 and F18 are older than the Mig 29. The Mig 29 and F18 should have been introduced together. The 2s38 isn’t in service yet, but it sits at 10.0 vs 1970s vehicles. The russian pt-76 sits at 5.3 vs WW2 tanks despite being a 1950s design.
It isn’t relevant because it favors russia. Thats just a lame excuse they use to pick on older vehicles. Swedish USH-405 is from 1950 at 8.0. The same BR as the russian 906 which is from the late 1960s.
Years matter, because of technology. The R27ER that russia gets is from the mid 1980s. The USA is given the aim-9L from around 1975. One has IRCCM one doesn’t. This is why years matter.
The russian and chinese trees are basically the same thing with some extra candy in china. Show me another nation that is getting down boosted like they are against older tech. I will wait. It is the same goalpost. Plus you never showed me a tank that gets Gen 2 Thermals, Proximity Shells, ATGMS, 55mph speeds, Stabilizer, etc at 9.0. Still waiting for that one.
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The BMD gets all of that and more, just replaces the proxy with IRST and autocannon which is better.
Now find one that isn’t in a russian or russian shill tree. I am still waiting.
BMD doesn’t have Proxy shells.
Yes, that’s what I said.
Which wasn’t my question, but either way. Were you able to find a non russian or russian shill tree at such a low Br with the same amount of options and tech?
Are you going want to find the exact same HP/t as well? Does it need to have smoke grenades? 20 degree turret rotation? Good luck finding any unusual vehicle with borderline identical specs to another one
The simple answer is that you can’t. Because the vehicle is at too low a tier for its setup. But you know that, and are just not willing to admit it. Doesn’t make it any less true, just shows your lack of honesty when vouching for the bias in the game.
Their is no reason a tank from 2004 is at a BR where most tanks are from 1970. In this case russia and russia shill trees both have this advantage. BUT NO OTHER NATION DOES. Just goes to show some of the glaring issues with the integrity of this game.
What’s bias is only looking at the pros of a vehicle and ignoring all the negative aspects that bring it down and pretending it’s the best vehicle when no other vehicle has the same qualities, even when those other vehicles are going to have strengths of it’s own, but that falls outside of your parameters.
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WMA301 has a 62% win rate in RB. Surprisingly the BMD-4 has a 55% win rate in RB.
That should be enough to show that its at too low of a BR.
Ikv 91 has a 51% win rate, and Ikv 91-105 has a 52% win rate at the same BR.
So if you think we shouldn’t look at its technological advantages how about we just look at its win rate.
Winrates are about lineups, not vehicles.
Ok? And what does win rate mean? Just because German teams lose a lot doesn’t mean that they have horrible vehicles, all of their vehicles are undertiered but nobody is complaining.
Win rates are win rates. Its clearly over performing. If you want to go based off lineups then you have to address the fact that Taiwan/china has more vehicles than Japan, Isreal, and nearly the same as Italy.
So lets look at Italy. The VBC PT2. The VBC is faster, but has Gen 1 Thermals. The CVB does not have proximity rounds. Does not have ATGMs. Has a 10 second reload rate so its slower. Both have a visibility of 136%. So while they give and trade a little bit at this BR but they are actually close in stats. So lets look at win rates (and I didn’t look before this period).
VBC (PT2) = 64%
WMA301 = 62%
So it goes to show, vehicles with these tech upgrades and speed do in fact not belong at this BR. They are both over performing. By the way, the average number of vehicles at this BR is pretty evenly matched. The average is 3 vehicles, with 4 nations having more than 3, and 2 nations having 0. So it does not appear the ability to make a lineup here is giving an advantage.