The iraqis ha there own self built tanks, with their own version of thermal optics that were home grown. East germans were helping them or they imported them. The Iraqi Republican guard were battle hardened soldiers that did everything right… Our tanks were just better :)
i think people are too focused on these DU armor stuff, we will never know either way so we should focus on what gaijin can fix (turret ring, DU armor in the cheeks, and add a fucking aps)
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the hull of the abrams being depleted uranium isn’t classified. Since its literally been talked about in newspapers and in congressional reports lol.
got any evidence of this, as far as I’m aware they where equipped with T-72M and A tanks
partially true, gaijin is knowingly keeping the abrams nerfed on purpose. You and i both know that the D.O.D is watching everything thats typed on these game forums.
even then, I found this:
The Iraqi T-72s, like most T-72 export versions, lacked then-modern night vision systems, though they did have some night fighting tanks with older active infrared systems or floodlights - just not the latest starlight scopes and passive infrared scopes as on the Abrams
And this:
, and likewise whether the Iraqi tanks reported to be “Lions of Babylon” during the Gulf War and Iraq War were merely imported T-72s.
so as it proves, the most advanced vehicles in Iraq’s possession where T-72M1 and other export versions without NVD/TVD and equipped with 3BM9
i posted this stuff on the old forums years ago i could probably find it again
wikipedia claims that a handful of these tanks were retrofitted with early belgian thermal imaging during the war, however that’s an assumption due to said thermal imagers being discovered in some factory in Iraq so idk if there is any concrete evidence of them being equipped or not
there were reports of t 72s being found with them in them. i would have to scour army records from 30 years ago to find it : /
that would essentially mean the abrams would have literally bean nigh invulnerable at the further ranges of their effective range.
i would actually like a event t-72 with thermals at a lower BR
the army has reports of abrams being hit by other abrams into the hull / turret and the rounds sometimes didn’t penetrate.
M833 and M774 cannot pen the abrams UFP in 99% of situations in game either
[M829A1] was used in desert storm.
Yo sarge i know u want abrums to get buff but chill out
no.
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These threads are so deppressing…
The Abrams tanks ingame have a fair plethora of issues regarding their modelling and implementation, and some of us do our best efforts to be taken seriously and have these matters addressed…
Then other people come in, begin making outlandish claims in regards to the Abrams, and throw the credibility of the criticism on the Abrams tanks down the sink, giving a bad reputation to those who want to have the Abrams’ actual issues addressed.
These are the only REAL issues regarding the Abrams tanks. Anything listed beyond this is nonsense that harms our efforts to have its actual issues corrected:
1- Still missing a properly modelled volumetric turret ring.
2- Still missing proper fuel tank bulkhead plates’ thicknesses.
3- Still missing proper fuel tank bulkhead armor geometries/plates.
4- SEP and SEPv2 still missing their improved turret armor.
5- SEPv2 still unable to take off the dead weight called TUSK II (it should be an optional modification).
6- M1A1 AIM still missing its historical KE-W A2 shell even though other Abrams tanks at the exact same BR use M829A2, which is even better.
7- M1A2 SEPv2 still missing its historical M829A3 shell for no particular reason even though Gaijin officially stated that it would still be balanced (at least that new shell would make it feel like an actual upgrade in ONE aspect…)
8- Misplacement of the hydraulic pump.
9- Hydraulic pump being taken out should lead to manual targetting (slower traverses), not full turret blockage.
There could be a case for improved hull armor on 2000s Abrams variants, as well as for internal spall liners- but those matters are comples and require more study to confirm. Until then, if the Abrams got the 9 fixes I listed above, it would be enough to make them significantly better and more faithful depictions of their real life counterparts.
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and i hate how they only have first gen thermal
the FEP package were given to all USMC M1A1 that is available and also the 116 polish M1A1 but they just flush my bug report
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M1A1 FEP is a separate tank variant, just like HC, SEP, AIM, etc, are… I can’t see how this is anything bug-reportable.
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