Airfield AAA Discussion Thread - Air Realistic Battles

Good news, you aren’t! You still have yourself, your plane, and your wits.

In my example all of my team could be dead and I could be almost out of fuel. Even then, it’d still hold that I’m not entitled to anything.

No you aren’t. You just aren’t. If you shoot off all of your ammo, that’s an issue with your gameplay, and you should reap the consequences. If you can find a safe opportunity to RTB, say if there’s a lull in the fight or if your teammates are able to cover for you, then great! Otherwise, you should be SOL, not carried by an OP game mechanic.

Yes they should. It sucks, I know, I don’t like it either, but this is a team game. What’s in our control is our own plane, and if we fly particularly well then we can protect our team and snowball that into winning the game. But if our team collapses, we as a collective were just outplayed, and the enemy team shouldn’t have to juggle some busted AA mechanic to cater towards one guy who thinks they’re entitled to free repairs or fairness or any of that. There will be games you cannot win, that’s just how it is.

Thankfully, we all take off from the same runway, so nobody is a free kill. “The circumstances of one’s birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of flight that determines who you are” and all that. Will you let yourself become a free kill by being your own enemy and firing off all your ammo or bringing too little fuel? Will you reverse your turn in front of their guns and get critically hit, needing to RTB? You make yourself a free kill through your actions throughout the game, therefore you are rightly punished by the game when someone acts on your vulnerability.

Again, you are not entitled to having the game play itself for you and cover for your weakness.

Still exploitable if there’s more than one player left.

Removing airfield AA in its entirety is an overreaction IMO but I support it because it’s far better than the current state, and I find it more likely for Gaijin to implement than some convoluted still-exploitable system like changing its behaviour throughout the battle. I think we’d be begging for the monkey’s paw to curl with that given what we keep seeing from Gaijin when it comes to Air RB.

1 Like

I was, for some time, a fan of limiting/changing/fixing AF AAA.
But like you, I realised one can’t just trust Gaijin to fix anything properly.
They will overdo it, break something else and finally make everything slightly worse than at the beginning.

Just like they did with real shatter and shell ballistics, with fighters breaking like twigs, bombers tanking hundreds of shells, fragmentation is unrealistic, shell.momentum is absolutely ignored.

2 Likes

Imagine if AAA would only shoot when a plane is touching the ground, wouldn’t that be nice? You can’t camp, but when you genuinely need to reload/refuel/repair you get the peace to do so, and if you keep sitting on the field you are counted as not participating.

Lots of players, lots of opinions…
The game offers them many variants of how to play and I think that was also the intention of the game developers…
Personally, I don’t see the AAA protected airport as a problem…
I usually go back to the airfield for fuel and a few rounds in the guns to rearm…
Camping near the airport is useless…
It’s ideal to have a plane where you can load bombs and rockets in addition to cannons and machine guns, and if you come across a camper, you have the AI as a secondary target…

It’s simply not possible to groundpound the AA off of the runway. Even in groups of 4-6 players you can’t get it all before you’re all killed, not by a long shot. It’s just way too deadly and completely impossible to dodge.

1 Like

grafik
prime example why Airfield camping is a dogshit playstyle, this guy keeps flying around his airfield. he does that since 15min

stop yapping how good airfield camping works and play the game like intended

i lost because of this retarded ass mechanic

3 Likes

No, (i watched the replay) you lost because you made basic mistakes - and it looks like you are unable to understand basic ticket/game mechanics.

  • After your rearming (~11 minutes left) you had ~4-500 tickets less than the enemy; playing 1 vs 1 as last players in a Spit Mk XIVe vs a Ju 288.
  • The enemy team killed ai planes (5 out of 6) - going low for those ai planes gave you the chance to get easy kills
  • Your team refused to kill ai planes; you killed 2 out of 6 ai Fw 190 Fs
  • But instead of killing the enemy ai planes (in order to stop the ticket bleed and maybe to get a lead), you decided to climb.
  • The 288 activated blind hunt and was scared by your fast approach speed. And ofc he camped his af - do you expect him to outclimb and dogfight a Spit?
  • Then you spend the rest of the match above the enemy main af, waiting for your ticket defeat.
  • The remaining enemy ai planes increased you ticket gap and sealed your ticket defeat.

From my pov you threw a very good game (5 kills) totally unnecessary away due to wrong decision making.

I mean farming noobs with an US/UK fighter in this “Ju 288 black hole” bracket with 40 days fighter experience is your own choice - but blaming a Ju 288 noob for your lack of understanding the mechanics is actually extremely misleading. And - ofc - it is always somebody else…

Edit: Clarified the 5.7 XIV with adding an “e”. Btw: Enemy ai aircraft were 190 Fs, no return fire as they have no gunners :-)

4 Likes

Ju-288 is entirely to blame for stalling the game. Dude had little chance of killing 4-5 AI planes and then having ammo to farm 6-10 ground targets (the ticket gap would increase during his chase of AI planes).
Furthermore, Ju-288 would be able to arrive to the battlefield and bomb 2 tanks and ran back to base in the meantime.
Hunting the bomber was a good bet and it would have worked if the game wasn’t a broken gaijinshow promoting toxic behaviour.

1 Like

Very fast reply - without watching the replay. In the replay you see that the Ju 288 dropped his payload as soon as he realized he could not drop (12 minutes?) and ran back to his af - in other words he was no threat…

He would be a threat if he wanted. If Spitfire went for the AI, Ju-288 would know immediately. Ju-288 can just bomb some targets and run, or even try to gunship the poor spitfire.

All it took was about 70IQ on bomber’s side.
Also there’s a decent chance of getting smacked by AI gunners in the process.

Generally, Spitfire guy would lose either way. In yhis specific scenario he lost despite Ju-288C not playing the game for 15m. Excellent game design.

1 Like

im aware how those mechanics work, i just refuse to abuse them to win.
its a PVP game, i want to win by killing the enemy players

thx for playing the smartass and trying to defend this behavior (once again)
jfc

2 Likes

ARB isn’t only TDM.

There are other objectives to complete to win.

You lost because you refuesed to PTFO like a typical noob.

Congratulations, you played yourself.

Cute flag attempt.

4 Likes

“typical noob”

ahhh i get , im a noob because i play the game as it is intended. good to know

Insane logic, really

1 Like

You aren’t playing it as intended. You’re ignoring the PTFO aspect that is also required to win matches, which is why you’re here whining about a loss you could’ve avoided if you had PTFO.

Yes, you are a noob because you’re playing the mode like a noob.

Shape up.

Another cute flag attempt.

2 Likes

clearly
grafik

1 Like

I really recommend you to ignore this JP2GMD Panzer guy and move on. He’s one of the least intelligent and most insulting users of this forum, defending the most broken aspects of ARB because he hates the mode and he hates the people who enjoy it.

1 Like

The 288 is faster than the spit, it could have pointed its nose in any direction other than the airfield and been fine.

Because roleplaying NASCAR around the airfield is an objective

1 Like

Tip: Get the 288 to turn or dive on it. It has abysmal acceleration, and it only gets fast when you let it get fast.

He is saying they lost because they didn’t go for the AI targets, which is true. The 288 also wasn’t playing the objective either, but his teammates did.

2 Likes

This tip is meaningless when the ju288 is abusing airfield AA.

1 Like