Didnt i request a permanent 12.7 - 13.3 bracket that would exclude the Tornado gr4?
Yea
I could easily take a su 27 or su33 in a mirage 2000 s4 or f18A.
But now the Mig29 is permanently facing the tornado F3 late.
It already fights the harrier ii kifr c10. Whats the difference?
AV-8B+ is subsonic and Kfir C10 has very limited loadout and some of the weakest ARH. Also doesn’t have any IRCCM
F3 Late is fast, well armed and well equipped. Only reason the 12.0 f3 struggles against the Mig29 is how bad the Skyslugs are and how the Mig29 can force a WVR fight. Aim-9M and Aim120s change that radically.
It also only faces them in the 13.0 brackets, not the 12.7 brackets. It gets 50% of the rotations where it doesn’t have to face them
It cant possibly be that much of a game changer at the br. It’s essentially a faster harrier 2 at that point. That isnt really problematic.
Exactly, sure 13.3’s ~can~ survive at top tier but only if u play ultra passive, same as any of the other 13.3’s. ‘Support’ style gameplay is either cas, providing better avionics for your team, or doing high alt missile spam enemy suppression type stuff - and fighters like smt and especially tornado cant do that better than the other options available in these brackets. Trying to run them as an ambush style fighter’s doesnt really do it much good either - especially when compared to your actual fighters like the su27, su30, rafale & eft’s which fill the role far better. If you persist in doing that it forces you into close range dogfights with much more capable enemies which is just reinforcing your major flight performance shortcomings. Ofc not everything has to be great especially in uptiers, but it just speaks to the need of getting the 13.3 bracket sooner rather than later as these jets havent been competitive at all since like ever. Then at that bracket they will be competitive offering a valuable tradeoff for their better avionics/fox3 armaments at the cost of their poor flight performance, wheras other stuff in the bracket like flankers, f15’s, f16’s and grippens get much better flight performance at the cost of worse weapons kit or avionics - would be pretty balanced.
Idk even know why this convo is even happening rn. Adding the missing brackets is just nothing but good lol and puts things back in line with every single other br in sim - then the aircraft all have their time in the sun at top then other times must be played in an uptier same as usual.
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Has anyone else had experiences with bases clipping into the ground on some maps? I just decided to take out the Mig-23BN to bomb on Sicily, but I could not find any bases until I noticed that one was almost fully underground.
Yeah, I recall having that on that map like a year ago. Has been reported a 1000x I think
Are the clouds really low again? I crashed my jet twice because they were so low that I couldn’t find where the base was when I tried to bomb it on the Sinai map with dumb bombs.
The bases on the lower ground are always clear of cloud. A lot of the map is pretty much at sea level and the cloud base is 3000’/1000m above sea level even with heavy cloud cover, as I remember it. CCRP and a decent HUD are useful when it comes to attacking bases on the higher ground. It may not be representative weather for Sinai, but it can be worked around, even usefully exploited by some aircraft.
but instead gaijin decides to do:
-nothing
isnt this the second round of br changes in which we get nothing? did the air sim team get all moved to aces of thunder or something?
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Yep
That is my guess too. Only explanation for the fact Air Sim has been totally abandonned by the devs
Probably, i also wouldn’t be suprised if they kill sim mode entierly if aces of thunder doesnt flop since they gave it flatscreen support. Im currently in heavy dooming state regarding war thunder sim.
Don’t think it’s the second; the Su-17M2 was moved down from 10.7 to 10.0 very recently. I know because I was on the verge of starting to spade it in a 10.7 line up. Bit disappointed, TBH, because the change made the 10.0 Su-7BKL totally redundant. The M2 is significantly better than the BKL (full ballistic comp, more loadouts inc laser-guided missile, R-60 AAMs v dumb bombs, roks only, CCIP for roks alone and no guided munitions or AAMs).
Maybe nothing was changed because every BR in sim is ‘just right?’ Yea, that’ll be the reason.
ah, did some digging and yeah you are right, i thought there was Planned Battle Rating changes for March 2025 with no air sim changes and now month later still same thing happens, but there was a feburary update with air sim br changes.
it doesnt matter anyway, because as @Morvran pointed out before, we need bracket changes, give 13.3 some breathing room (some planes not even having fox 3’s at 13.3), and give 12.3 its day to shine
I usually see some people in sim lobbys saying “ITS PVE” after someone kills another players aircraft.
I don’t understand why they do this
How can the F-4J(UK) still be at 12.0? It’s the exact same aircraft as the other British F-4’s which are at 11.3. It’s so much worse than the US F-4J and F-4S that has the AIM-7F!, HMD, better RWR and HUD yet sit at the same BR. No IFF or band-detection on the RWR, so friends and enemies all are ‘?’. No modern HUD. Both the RWR and HUD are game-changers for SIM, so how is this possible?
No agile-eagle leading edge flaps (which F-4S has) and no built-in gun so you need the gunpod. FGR.2 has the British Spey engines which give much more thrust, acceleration and top speed at low level.
Only in 2 out of 8 days the F-4J(UK) will face a downtier and in 6 of 8 days it’s together with 12.7 with F/A-18’s so completely unplayable in SIM! 2 days it’s even in 13.0 facing Fox-3’s!
Out out F-4J (12.0), F-4S (12.0), FGR-2 (11.3) and FG-2(11.3) the F-4J(UK) has the worst of everything. Missiles, HMD, RWR, avionics, engine. Yet it’s still at 12.0.