Yep, though im more interested in their resistance to CMs. It would be frustrating if the only defence was MP or kinematics. I like a good loft attack against an AF with the Tornado, but it would be annoying if that wasnt possible anymore because I was instantly sniped out the air by a SAM even if im deploying copious amounts of chaff.
Though having to engage in SEAD before attempting such an attack would in itself be interesting. As long as they didnt instantly respawn
The best answer to correct this problem is to create a permanent Br bracket from 12.7 - 13.0. This would force period appropriate fighters to face each other. Players on the red side would access to semi active missiles and would face vehicles with semi active missiles most of the time. The best way to balance the F15A, F16ADF, JAS39A, and F14 B is to bring the first generation SU27/J11 and SU 33 down to 13.0. This would also provide an intermediate tier for players to get used to IRCCM missiles and evading semi active missiles.
The 13.3 -14.0 should be a permanent Br Bracket to allow planes with fully active missiles to face each other. The over all environment in at top tier is chaotic with everyone multipathing 30 ft - 50ft off the deck and spamming missiles. The planes with semi active missiles are severely disadvantaged by losing lock while having to notch. The Su 27/J11 and Su33 with only R27ER are losing to look and shoot MICA-EM and the endless spam of Aim 120A/B.
Except for the fact that would kill 75% of ARH slingers because they wouldnt be able to do anything against the 14.0s.
aircraft like the FA2, AV-8B+, Kfir C10, Viggen Di, etc should be the same BR as the F-15A, Griepn A, F-14A/B, etc.
A permament 12.7-13.0 bracket would just result in 12.7s and 13.3s getting screwed
But all of the 12.7 are competitive to the 13.0. All of the 13.3 are competitive to the 14.0
The planes listed are at the same br as the f15 A currently. I dont mind aim 120 busses at that br like the kifr c10, av8b or phantom ice
No 13.3 is “competitive” against the 14.0s and even a few 13.7s are hard pressed to actually truly fight the 14.0s.
At least I cant think of any way an Mig-29SMT would survive against a Typhoon or Tornado F3 would survive against an Su-30SM
Heck the J-11A is pretty DOA if it faces anything stronger than itself, which is nearly everything and its a 13.7
I think they need to add a mode where Player ships can be used in sim mode but yes, currently the rewards for going after naval targets is unacceptable.
Its also especially annoying that the Carrier doesnt give any reward for hitting it. Only sinking it.
I think my record was 2 full bomb runs from Buc S2, thats about 32’000lb of bombs before I got any reward
It’s a mixed bag at that br. Instead of thinking about flight models you have to think about armament. Top tier is has alot to balance including missle performance. When you are part of a team most of the planes at 13.3 -14.0 dont really feel outclassed except for the Su27 and Su33.
Mig29 smt just needs to survive until it gets a r73 rear aspect shot on the merge. The tornado can only third party cleanup
honestly if any 14.0 let a SMT get to the position where it was able to get a rear aspect archer shot they have thrown as hard as possible. Even just excluding missile load disparity the flight performance difference is insurmountable - which absolutely still makes a gigantic difference. Doubly for the tornado too lol. Only thing 13.3’s can do at top really is just toss their missiles till their out then run - maybe except the jf17 but thats still gonna get flexed on by anything except possibly the su30 in a dogfight haha. Flankers could be decent even with ER/ET and more capable flight models now but the rwr really throws a spanner in the works and is gonna cause u major issues as u cant notch effectively at all outside of visually judging 90 degree’s at closer ranges when the smoke is still visible(which ofc is still not very reliable).
Hopefully we get some more brackets for sim soon cause i think this will be the third time in a row we would have missed out on that getting updated - then the 13.3 will be pretty fun to play.
CMs basically doesn’t work because current SA-2 guided as SACLOS.
Splash damage is also larger than that AIM-54s
The guidance by SACLOS makes no sense, unless I am mistaken, the missile is guided exclusively on the radar IRL.
For the blast area it’s quite normal that it’s large (set at 60m for the moment I think), it’s still an anti-bomber missile
People could say the same about the F15C flight performance. I still believe those planes belong at 13.3 - 14.0. The missle capability is nearly equal with the outlier being Rafale and Mirage 2000.
13.3 at the top of a br bracket just seems like farming session for the planes with Aim 120 or R77 missles. I definitely feel that SMT can survive at top tier.
Another concept to keep in mind when talking about balancing aircraft is team composition. The Tornado and Mig 29 SMT are being supported by other competitive planes. So they kind of take a support/ambush role.
The concept works fine in ARB or at lower BRs. But at high/top tier ASB, most fights are 1v1 and with the performance of radars, “Ambushing” people is far harder.
If an Su-30SM were to spot a Tornado F3, they would simply go hunting and there is nothing the F3 could do except spam off AMRAAMs and hope for a trade.
Heck, even in the Typhoon at the moment im hardpressed to sometimes even take off without having to deploy everything ive got on the Typhoon just to survive, in the Tornado id barely be able to retract my landing gear.
Same in true in reverse for the Mig-29, if I see a Mig-29 on RWR/NCTR, I go hunting.
I tried taking the F3 into a 13.7 match and just got farmed by J-10As and Su-27SMs last year, Im not wasting my time trying to take it into a 14.0 match. We need 12.3 and 13.3 brackets. Nothing else will work.
Im always getting killed by 3rd parties at high tier. I seldom ever get a 1v1 situation, team composition is a huge success factor. Just remember when the Rafale came out. Any side that had france on their side just won.
Yeah, because Rafale has the Best Radar, best FM and best missiles. They dominated the 1v1 fights
My point exactly. Its a factorbof team composition aswell as flight performance. Would a team of only F15C win? No, but when they are supported by other meta planes they can be very problematic.