nah i said sea harrier, those are the british only gen one air to air harriers. the av8b+av8b na are gen 2 harriers with the larger wings and stronger engines, sea harriers are gen 1 harriers like the AV8A or AV8C. So, the british sea harrer has to give up its guns for 2 amraams, otherwise its limited to guns and 2 amraams, or 4 9ms and guns. It’s straight up the worst 13.0 in the game. f-14s are much better than it
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I think Gaijin should do a massive decompression between 7.0-9.0 instead, but considering their lack of willingness to do so… I agree on all of those changes.
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And what about the TU-4? It doesn’t deserve a 1.0 br difference between it and the B-29.
TU-4 8.0 → 7.3
It’s only improvement over the B-29 is defensive armament.
23mm vs 12.7mm
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you can shoot it down with missiles
What?
you have quite a few planes with missiles at 8.0-9.0 br range
Dude we are talking about the TU-4
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pretty much every late bomber is overtiered and only some have decent gunners and are playable bc of this
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Yeah, tbf it can’t really go lower, but it’s still one of the worst planes in all of Warthunder. Any time I see F-14 getting Phoenix/Fakour kills, it is always, ALWAYS a premium.
J-7D
ARB: 10.7 → 11.0
Performance between the MiG-21MF & bis, but best-in-class missiles even though they are only rear-aspect. It is only at 10.7 to milk the disposable income of the large Chinese playerbase. Abused by skilled players and low skilled players alike. Blatantly undertiered.
Eremin’s Yak-3 (early)
ARB: 4.0 → 4.3
This actually has better performance than the 4.3 Yak-3 at the cost of some burst mass. The Russian 12.7s and 20mms hit like a truck anyway. This has no business seeing 3.0 planes. Regular Yak-3 (USSR & French) could go up 0.4 to 4.7 as well without noticeable impact on its effectiveness.
NF-5A
ARB: 10.7 → 11.0
The raw performance actually exceeds the F-5E flight model at all relevant altitudes in WT. It also has equivalent armament to the 11.0 E models. Doesn’t deserve 11.3, but it is, again, intentionally undertiered to capture that premium money.
JH-7 (& premium version)
ARB: 11.3 → 11.7
Missiles and flight model are definitely way too strong for 11.3.
F-104G & S family
All Air RB
- Chinese G: 10.7 → 10.3/10.0 - no flares, fewer missiles than the F-104J. Maybe adjust from 10.3.
- German G: 11.0 → 10.7
- Italian G: 11.0 → 10.7
- Italian S: 11.3 → 11.0 - This is seriously higher than the MiG-21bis family and the F-4EJ???
- Italian S.ASA 12.0 → 11.3 - same as the Thai F-5E FCU that has 4 all-aspects but better FM
F4U-7 (France)
ARB: 6.0 → 5.7
No reason for this to be 0.3 above the F4U-4B with a worse flight model now that Ground BRs are separated.
R2Y2 Family
ARB: 8.0 → 7.3 for all
Just because Gaijin have removed these and are pretending they don’t exist doesn’t mean they can’t adjust them. They intentionally gave players a month to grind them after first notice, plus many have used them for a decade. They have also been adjusting other removed vehicles like the Coelian as well as rare/unobtainable vehicles like the Ro.57 Quadriarma
UK Phantom Family
All Air RB
- FG.1: 12.0 → 11.7
- FGR.2: Add AIM-9L and leave at 12.0
- F-4J(UK): 12.0 – >11.3… OR …add AIM-9L and leave at 12.0
The 12.0 range is horribly compressed right now, but these would be a good start. Could also make the argument of adding SuperTEMP to the FGR.2, but then it would be better than the Tornado F.3. There is no way it should go up to 12.3 though.
Sabre & MiG-15/17 family
All Air RB
- All Sabres up 0.3 except the 8.3 CL-13, 8.7 CL-13A, and 9.0 CL-13B
- MiG-15: 8.0 → 8.3
- MiG-15bis / J-2 : 8.3 → 8.7
- MiG-15bis-ISH: 8.0 → 8.7
- MiG-17 / J-4: stay 8.7
- MiG-17PF: 8.7 → 9.0
- Lim-5P: 8.7 → 9.0
- Shenyang F-5: 9.3 → 9.0
F-111A
ARB: Stay 10.7 but remove AIM-9B, add AIM-9E stock, and add researchable AIM-9J
AIM-9B at 10.7. Absolutely ridiculous.
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The Tu-4 should absolutely be 0.7-1.0 above the B-29A. The defensive brownings on the B-29A are only good for “hits” and the occasional lucky pilot snipe.
The Tu-4’s turrets are 1-hit kill machines.
They should both come down, though. B-29A to 6.3-6.7, Tu-4 to 7.3
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I like the previous post, and you formatted it! Yay, someone listened :)
However I kinda disagree a bit with the TU-4 / B-29 the .50 cals are very notorious for getting 1 hit on an enemy and causing fires. Where as the 23mm of the Tu-4 does more raw damage. But I do think a gap of 0.7 isn’t really necessary, merely because they are roughly the same plane, except the defensive armament.
I also don’t think the B-29 should be a 6.3, that’s pushing it a lot.
Nor should a Tu-4 be 7.0
The correct situation is literally just side aspect, if you fire from any other angle(even barely) the missile will go for flares missiles and whatever.
.and the fact it can only pull 30gs means it often misses
That’s completely nonsensical, pl8bs are equal to pl5e2 and only second to aam3
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imo pl8b is better than pl5e2, sure the latter has slightly more aceleration but i like the slightly harder pull of the pl8b
That’s why I said they’re equal whichever is best varies person to person.
it’s not lol but keep coping, yeah bro it’s totally more important my missile goes a little faster while having an objectively less reliable and worse irccm. aam3 shares the same irccm as sim9m in game as well so maybe educate yourself lol.
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Can you put all the similar nations vehicles in their own nation, like my original post. Then I will add it, so it’s easy for me to copy paste it, without screwing it up.
Thanks!
i would also add an decrease BR to Q-5 a mig-19 at 10.0 its a insanity