well… technically i played the F1CT, which has a better RWR… it still sucks ass but atleast i know i have exactly 6 phantoms nuking me with 7F
As someone with fist-hand experience farming F-5s for free kills, I can very confidently say their damage model is nothing special.
How it works is the literal dozens of players who have played it and confirmed it’s OP, have far more credibility than one noob who failed to use Magic 2s properly.
Ok no that’s a whole other level of skill issue. You can literally just press two buttons, pitch up and roll, and evade Aim-7F literally for free.
please invite them to this discussion, maybe they can enlighten me as to how the F1 is OP
No need to derail the discussion like that (as you love to do) when there’s already plenty of people vouching for it in the most recent dedicated Mirage F1C thread, including the capabilities of the Matra 530.
F1c is pure rage bait to play, literally you’re useless outside of the magic 2s. Do you not know the chaff button that dispenses chaff? How are you dying to pulse radar missiles?
Not arguing it should be lower, it’s fine where it is. Gets 2 super good missiles but is useless outside of that.
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i dont see people calling for it to go up, the vast majority just says its fine at 12.0 (because of magic 2)
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That would be a strawman, as no-one here is arguing that it needs to go down in BR. We’re arguing that it’s currently fine where it is. You’re the one arguing it needs to go up by a whole 0.7 BR, based on wildly inaccurate assumptions about how it handles.
The OP even clarifies that their problem with the F1 is that it cannot handle 12.7/13.0, which is completely fair. No plane around that BR can handle uptiers. I had the misfortune of trying to spade the F-4EJ Kai recently, that thing against ARH missiles and fourth gen fighters is just misery.
I could just as easily pull one of hundreds of threads about how the F-4S/J are completely underpowered and need to go down to 11.0. That’s not a justification for anything (Other than better tutorialization of gameplay mechanics).
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The entire community is aware of the F-5’s issues except you.
Except… it has almost no chaff protection to the 530F LOL
i wonder how it would perform at 11.3 or so without magic 2
Well on release that’s what it was with only magic 1s. Also had much worse flight performance and lower rip speed at 11.3.
It was abysmal dog water.
They had to give it all aspect magic 2s after it came out because of how garbage it was
With current FM, it would be fine at 11.3 with magic 1s
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It’d need to lose the R530Fs as well. MTI RADAR and decently agile SARH missiles against chaffless planes (That it would see frequently in downtiers) would be decidedly unfun.
I think it could honestly be 11.0. Imo its just slightly better than the mirage 3e when it has only magic ones
I mean 11.3 has ja37c with sky flashes, 4 9ps and a mprf pd radar, all on a platform that’s faster with better flight performance. I think that it can’t be the same br as that
yeah that was my concern too
as dogshit as the 530f is, that br range is filled with people that dont even carry chaff
regular 530 it is then? xD would be funny tbh
this thing is just plain undertiered, should go up
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Fair point. I’ve never really tested the agility of the R530Fs that much, they’ve always just been throwaway shots against targets I hope are distracted enough to not see them coming. So I’m not sure how they measure up to the Skyflash/7E-2, kinematics wise.
the entire community of you whining that a mid vehicle is OP lmao.
Do you not know of the radar lock button that’s required for radar missiles to guide?
Could prolly go lower if 530s were fixed considering Magic 1s are rear aspect.
Fr, it’s all the upsides of MiG-23 and F-4E combined, with added flight performance, somehow at the same BR.
the problem is not with locking people with the radar, its the missile guidance
it loses targets constantly since it has barely any chaff resistance
i would assume he means using 530f as a sucker punch surprise missile since it doesn’t give off a launch warning
wont work in most engagements
It is not only 0.3br superior to 3E when 3E is not even a direct upgrade to 3C