you even get slightly more RP for killing an AI plane than killing a player’s tank apparently…
1 frag gives you more rewards than 11 frags in ground RB? Evidence?
Cause this is mediocre performance in air 12.7: 500% RP multiplier on the jet.
Defeat above, victory below: 4250RP RP 10% booster victory, and 3550 RP loss.
This is a mediocre match in ground arcade at BR 6.7: 360% RP multiplier. 1.39 factor. 2690RP, x1.39 = 3750 normalized RP with the 12.7 multiplier.
Would you look at that, rewards are rather similar despite one being arcade, and all were mediocre matches.
How come a nuke match gets me 10,030 RP while I get that same rewards in an air RB match with 1-2 kills and some ground targets? Actually surviving the whole match, around 10-12 minutes?
Being mediocre in air RB gets you the same, if not better rewards than being 1st place with a nuke in ground RB. To provide another example:
Does it take anything close to the same effort to get through the same rank in ground and air?
Air took 111 matches total and ground took 159 MINIMUM, could actually be more.
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Another direct comparison
My personal stats absolutely RUSHING past both tech trees. 75 total for air and 94 MINIMUM for ground.
You have your numbers, I have mine. But taking personal experience into account air is way easier to grind than ground and naval. And I’m not saying they should be the same! They’re just TERRIBLE, naval specially. Ground and air grind are so far apart in terms of total matches required and time invested it’s actually ridiculous.
Service record RP is not your match RP.
It’s physically not comparable.
Also if you find air easier, congrats on your higher skill in air.
Much more important is play time reward.
Because that’s where most of your income comes from.
it ticks down every second.
Why is it especially nasty?
Here’s an experiment for you:
Go to GRB or GSB, earn 300 or 500 or whatever easy to replicate amount of score, then hide somewhere afk until you have been alive for a total of 10 minutes.
Leave vehicle, return to hangar. Check your after battle report.
Now,
Go to GRB or GSB, again earn 300 or 500 score BUT j out 5 minutes in at most (reset and repeat until you can pull it off), respawn and hide doing nothing for another five minutes spent alive.
Check your after battle report.
Finally,
Do the same as before but only earn 150 score in the first 5 minutes and 150 score in the second 5 minutes.
Look at what your rewards say.
Expectation:
“Because respawns”, you should earn the same amount of RP for all three battles.
Reality: Single spawn afking 10 minutes with 300 score earns more than 2 spawns getting 150+150 score over 5+5 minutes
What do you mean not comparable lol. One game mode clearly needs much more battles and time invested than the other. It’s not necessarily about skill. I confess I’m much better in air but the China stat card is from a friend of mine who actually kicks my ahh in BOTH game modes. I consider him to be GOOD at the game and the difference is still very much there.
I will actually go and do that. Just kill some fools with my new KV and hide in bushes, maybe hit someone again if I meet them. I’ll share the results
Result: 1.6K free RP, 1.8K for research of next tank, 700 RP for module research, for doing nothing after getting two kills
Again, what the service record says is not accurate. It does not prove anything in any direction.
Go check my Mirage 3C stats, go check that RP of the entirely spaded aircraft.
Now do the same for the entirely spaded Chinese ISU-122.
In both cases I have NEVER played another match in them after they were spaded, so their service-record RP is exactly stopped the moment both were spaded.
You will quickly find neither align with their spaded RP requirements.
Service record RP is not a usable metric.
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Let me explain my logic. The stat card screenshots here really matter because of one key factor, both my friend (grinding China air and ground) and I (Sweden ground and Japan air) are RUSHING as fast as we can. We’re not sticking around and playing with what we like. We’re getting it over with those vehicles as fast as we can so we can advance onto the next vehicle and the next tier.
I can’t use my Swedish air tree as example as I played many vehicles there just for fun and also because I have a premium there. Same for my friend, I can’t use HIS Sweden ground stats because he played a lot of matches there for fun.
So when it’s clear my friend needed way more matches in ground than he needed in air to get past a rank, and when it’s clear I also needed way more matches in ground than I needed in air, it is very much clear rewards are NOT the same and that these specific stat cards numbers matter because we’re grinding as fast as we can lol.
Here’s a reality: It took me 1.5 months for Japan ground, and 1.5 months for Japan air as my first ever grind in 2019.
Both were about the same length cause I was about as good in both.
I got better in air RB faster than I did in ground.
Today I’m more skilled in air than ground and can earn faster in air than ground because of that skill gap.
There are players that earn faster in ground than air because of skill gap.
How does that metric work? If we’re using anything like that it took me 1 year to finish rank VI sweden and 2 weeks to get ranks VII and VIII. Number of battles are much more consistent when tanks/planes are being played as little as possible to unlock the next vehicle or rank.
Let’s use my friend’s stats once again
Of course skill matters but are these stats not good? Both air and ground. Even my own stats with Swedish ground and Japanese air. 75 total matches in rank 5 air but 94 minimum rank 5 ground. And why do I say minimum?
The vehicle I played the most in this rank was the Ikv 91 with 94 matches. However, there are matches I didn’t touch it at all, specially when I was spading the other vehicles. So there are lots of additional matches counted within the total amount but that we’ll never actually get to know, but certainly way more than 94 in this example.
But not to drag this on, here’s my nuke match, a normal air RB match and a good RB match
If you can still look at this and tell me rewards are about the same, you’re actually insane. I won’t post here any longer as atp you’re refusing to accept the reality and multiple screenshots showing you that going through air grind is much faster than ground grind. Have a good day.
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Worse than comparing like-match results screens, barely better than using service records.
A match slightly worse than your Rocky Pillars mission. 16,450 RP. Vs your 11,715.
I don’t know what aircraft you were using though. However, you can adjust for multipliers with the following formula: Your aircraft multiplier / 696 = answer. Answer x 16,450 = The relative RP for the vehicle’s rewards you used.
Also looking down on and belittling others does not make for constructive discussion.
Your 7 frag match is equal to a 21ish frag ground match and my 26 frag ground match doesn’t have a post-battle screenshot.
And how’s it compare if you respawn early?
The thing I had had hoped to highlight was to showcase the difference of how activity is calculated across lives and how it impacts rewards.
I don’t get the more spawns argument, you get significantly less RP for a grb match you don’t die in with similar score/time for arb.
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Why even compare? Just demand ground RP gain be raised. Why do people want to drag others down to their level of suffering instead of improving their situation.
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Make GRB single spawn then and you can have your equal rewards
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Single spawn, again, is not justification.
Even if you survive 25 minutes in GRB with a single spawn, you by definition get less rewards.
Let us assume a victory, 100% RP bonus, no premium, nothing.
Let us assume we were high on the leaderboard, so ~90% activity.
ARB:
1.22 (RP/second) x 0.9 x 25 (minutes) x 60 (second/minute) x 2.0 x 1.0 = 3294 RP
GRB:
0.71 (RP/second) x 0.9 x 25 (minutes) x 60 (second/minute) x 2.0 x 1.0 = 1917 RP
Single spawn, top of the leaderboard, solely time alive, victory.
massive difference.
What is activity?
f(score, time alive) = activity%
Formula is known well for ASB (fixed 15 minute time alive) for:
200 points = 54% reward
400 points = 75% reward
600 points = 86% reward
800 points = 90% reward
1050+ points = 92% reward
It is approximated for ARB with the above conceptual diagram.
For GRB we don’t have a conceptual diagram due to how obfuscated activity calculations are when it comes to multiple respawns. All that is observed trend-wise is that you receive less activity% if you respawn, but its logistic-like shape does mean respawns can catch up with activity% relatively reasoanbly.
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I dont think I’m wrong saying “air bias” at this point. When RB tankers get ~50 RP for kill, RB pilots get ~110 RP, and they also get more RP for just existing in a battle… I dont see any other word for such conditions
I’m pretty sure most people see multi-spawn modes as “more targets” for you. They clearly don’t take into account the fact that each additional target could also kill you.
From my perspective, it’s actually much easier to stay alive in Air Realistic than in any other game mode, because of single-spawn, so less enemies that can kill you. When you kill someone, you know he won’t respawn and attack you a minute later. It’s so much easier to control your enemies and your positioning in Air Realistic than any other game mode.
At least in my opinion, Air Realistic is the easiest game mode to play, and at the same time it gives the most RP.
I also think that some people don’t understand that even in multi-spawn game modes, RP is calculated separately for each vehicle. So it’s not like you can have a bad battle with vehicle A, and then spawn vehicle B to increase your RP for vehicle A. The only exception from this are backups (they extend the Time Alive in the same vehicle, so they affect RP of this vehicle).
There are also different problems with multi-spawn game modes. For example, you need much more crew XP, as you have to exp a few crew slots. In Air Realistic you will do great even with just one crew slot maxed.
When you die, the only real advatage of multi-spawn game mode is that you don’t have to waste additional time to wait in the queue and then wait for the next battle to load and start. I personally don’t see this as such a big problem, especially the waiting times on EU/CIS servers in game modes I play are very short.
I made a test a few years ago, trying to figure out the difference between spading the same vehicle in Air Arcade and Air Realistic, and my results were:
For example, we have two Yak-9P in the game, which are identical, just in the different tech trees (one is Russian, one is Hungarian/Italian).
- to spade Russian Yak-9P in Air Arcade I needed 48 battles with 32 deaths, 104 air kills and 20 ground kills.
- to spade Hungarian Yak-9P in Air Realistic I needed 9 battles with 4 deaths, 17 air kills and 8 ground kills.
Such difference between spading the same vehicle in two game modes is just ridiculous in my opinion. Yes, of course I do understand that there are more targets in Air Arcade. But like I said before, every enemy player can kill you. You are not killing AI targets, players are much less predictable, one small mistake and you are dead. For me, it’s much easier to make a mistake and die in Air Arcade than Air Realistic.
I personally think that the RP is Air Realistic is completely fine. I don’t know why some players still complain about it. In fact, this is the only game mode where I think RP should remain as it is now. All other game modes have far too low RP, even with my premium account. That’s probably the reason why the devs always show Air Realistic as an example, when they talk about RP.
The Mission RP reward formula is actually known, it was revealed by Gaijin a few years ago:
The mission RP reward = time alive in the vehicle (in seconds) * win/lose multiplier (1.2 for a win, 0.8 for a lose) * game mode multiplier (hidden value used by the devs to keep rewards on the desired level) * vehicle RP multiplier (can be checked on the vehicle stats card) * activity % in the vehicle (/100)
When this formula was revealed, in August 2021, the game mode multiplier for Air Realistic was 2.04, but it’s almost surely different now (the devs use this multiplier to keep RP gains at a desired level, so it can change at any time). From what I remember, the game mode multiplier in Air Arcade was below 1.0.
This is just Mission RP reward formula. Additionally, Air Realistic has x2.5 reward multiplier for every action, so action RP is also much higher there than in any other game mode.
Air Realistic is also the only game mode (from all Arcade and Realistic game modes), where activity is counted differently. There are much easier rules that allow you to achieve high activity even with relatively poor results.
If you play defensively, Air Realistic is also the easiest game mode in which you can stay alive for a very long time. So you can get a lot of RP for just staying alive (Time Alive in the vehicle).
I personally think that Air Realistic is boring most of the time, but the RP it provides is excellent. And I’m not even a good Air Realistic player. I can’t even imagine how quickly good players can grind there.
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